Countable But Not Second Countable Topological Space

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The discussion centers on the existence of countable topological spaces that are not second countable. An example provided is the Arens-Fort Space, constructed from the countable set \(\mathbb{N} \times \mathbb{N}\) with a specific topology that fails to have a countable base at the point (0,0). Additionally, a more sophisticated example involves the set \(X = \mathbb{N} \cup \{\mathbb{N}\}\) with a topology defined using a free ultrafilter on \(\mathbb{N}\), which also lacks a countable base. The conclusion drawn is that a countable, first countable space must necessarily be second countable.

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I'm wondering if someone can furnish me with either an example of a topological space that is countable (cardinality) but not second countable or a proof that countable implies second countable. Thanks.
 
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Take the countable set \mathbb{N}\times\mathbb{N}. Topologize it by making any set that doesn't contain (0,0) open, and if a set does contain (0,0), it's open iff it contains all but a finite number of points in all but a finite number of columns. (Draw a picture. If an open set contains (0,0), then it can only miss infinitely many points in a finite number of columns, while it misses finitely many points in all the other columns.)

Now this topology doesn't have a countable base at (0,0), so it's not first countable let alone second countable.

Source: Steen & Seebach, Counterexamples in Topology, page 54. They call it the Arens-Fort Space.
 
Thanks! I own that book so I'll be having a look pretty soon.
 
I've been thinking about this a little bit more, and I believe I have another example, although it's a bit more 'sophisticated' in that it requires a bit of advanced set theory.

This time our countable set is X = \mathbb{N} \cup \{\mathbb{N}\}. Take any free ultrafilter F on \mathbb{N}, and define a topology on X by letting each subset {n} of \mathbb{N} be open, and defining nbhds of \left{\mathbb{N}\right} to be those of the form \{\mathbb{N}\} \cup U, where U is in F. As in the previous example, this topology fails to have a countable base at \left{\mathbb{N}\right} (because we cannot have a countable base for any free ultrafilter on the naturals), so again it fails to be first countable.

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Hmm... Now I'm wondering if there's a countable space that's first countable but not second countable!

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Maybe that was silly. If X is countable and has a first countable topology, then the union of the bases at each of its points is the countable union of countable sets and is hence countable (and a basis for the topology). So, I'm lead to conclude that a countable, first countable space is necessarily second countable.
 
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