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News Cover Oregon goes to Healthcare.gov

  1. Apr 25, 2014 #1

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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/technology-group-to-decide-cover-oregons-future/2014/04/24/cd96afd2-cb77-11e3-b81a-6fff56bc591e_story.html [Broken]

    What a waste of money that could have been spent on actual heathcare instead of some pie in the sky bureaucratic program.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVUJNEDpEkg#t=19

    Epic fail
     
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  3. Apr 30, 2014 #2

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  4. Apr 30, 2014 #3

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  5. May 1, 2014 #4

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    So that bit of community action would be filed under the not cute category then.
     
  6. May 1, 2014 #5

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    They would have been perfect for a Cover Oregon Mental health and substance abuse disorder services ad.

     
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  8. May 18, 2014 #7

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    Awesome video. :thumbs:

    ps. I've never heard a ukulele being played here. Mandolins maybe, but never a ukulele.

    pps. Learning that Larry Ellison is the 3rd richest man in america, and CEO of Oracle, the private company paid to provide a product, which it didn't, made me wonder: Do uber wealthy americans yield the power to suck $250,000,000 out of federally funded state coffers by not providing what they were paid to do?

    It's less than a buck per american, so I'm sure the rest of the nation doesn't really give a, um, hoot.

    ppps. hmmm.....

    I wonder how much of Mr. Ellison's $77,000,000 paycheck last year came from your pockets?
    hmmm.... less that 25 cents per american. Who's going to notice that.

    pppps. One of my favorite local yocals, Kari Chisholm, had the following to say:

    Is Oracle's Larry Ellison going to pay Oregon back for the Cover Oregon debacle?

    Yah, it looks bad on the surface, and makes you feel good to point fingers at stupid "Portlandy" type people, which might make you feel a little bit smarter. But in the end.....

    Why, if we're so stupid, is everyone, moving here? Please, go away, and move, back home.

    Janes....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k80nW6AOhTs

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    ok to delete, infract, and ban. :cry:
     
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  9. May 18, 2014 #8

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    Tell it like it is man.
    http://www.kpic.com/news/local/259530231.html [Broken]
     
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  10. May 18, 2014 #9

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    Why is it that with any other commercial enterprise that buys or builds bad IT the CIO loses his head but when govt does this, why, then it's the fault of evil forces who stole from the people? The Target CEO who was just forced to resign would no doubt love to have media writing articles on his behalf, deflecting negligence onto nefarious dark forces.
     
  11. May 18, 2014 #10

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    There's plenty of blame to go around but Oracle has been at the center of several big failures in the past. I partly blame simple human nature, if somebody throws a few hundred million for you to spend with a tight time schedule, you get busy spending it.
     
  12. May 19, 2014 #11

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    Yet another case for a Cover Oregon Mental health and substance abuse disorder services ad.

    http://www.katu.com/news/local/Womans-car-attacked-by-self-identified-high-elf-battling-evil-259598811.html?mobile=y [Broken]

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  13. May 31, 2014 #12

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    http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2014/05/cover_oregon_kitzhaber_says_it.html

    Another idiotic legal mess of a time and materials contract, follow the money.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2014/05/fbi_issues_subpoena_to_cover_o.html
     
  14. May 31, 2014 #13

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    And if the U.S. Attorney for Oregon gets too close to the truth, AG Holder in DC is there to backstop anything from sticking to Obama.

    There's nothing inherently wrong with a T&M contract, but when the system you are trying to implement is only partially designed or, in this case, described by the ACA legislation and subject to a continuing series of interpretations and rule-makings by at least two huge bureaucracies, HHS and the IRS, not to mention various waivers issued to friends of the administration, you can expect some slippage in the delivery schedule and a reduction in the quality of the finished product.
     
  15. May 31, 2014 #14

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    I would still expect actual delivery of something that works to the point that people can login and complete the basic forms that they have to do in paper now. They never enrolled a single person with the system. Other states and the feds seem to have at least something functional.

    http://govwin.com/knowledge/time-and-materials-contracts [Broken]
     
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  16. Jun 1, 2014 #15

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    It's not clear why you think the Oregon program should be singled out for special notice, or that these sorts of problems have not cropped up elsewhere.

    In fact, the other states which have dabbled with setting up their own exchanges, not to mention the federal exchange itself, have reportedly experienced a multitude of problems and delays. Even Massachusetts, which has been in the mandatory health insurance biz for a lot longer (Romneycare, anyone?) is scrapping their website entirely:

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyl...-broken-fix/oVT1f1X9hE4jaNOfF5XaiP/story.html

    Maryland is scrapping their system in favor of one used by Connecticut:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...6a3a3e-b6d2-11e3-8cc3-d4bf596577eb_story.html

    The federal website still has its share of problems for the enrollment portions of the site, while the payment back end is still undergoing development, so healthcare.gov is not a done deal by any stretch of the imagination. As time goes on and people start having life changing events, like moving to another state or having kids, expect to see more problems crop up with users having to shop for insurance in a different state and add new family members to their policies.
     
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  17. Jun 1, 2014 #16

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    We are the worst by a long shot and saying others have had problems is not an excuse for a child , a company or a government and if it's given as a reason then you should compare it with the efforts of others. Others have had the implementation problems seen with any large task but the entire process here was a disaster from start to end and was completely avoidable with proper management and accountability.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-up-with-the-nations-worst-obamacare-website/

    And it's not just health care the state bungled, they can't even build a bridge across the Columbia.
    http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2014/04/columbia_river_crossing_tab_ap.html
     
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  18. Jun 1, 2014 #17

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    Unlike Massachusetts and Maryland, it seems that the state officials in Oregon are still grappling with reality and are reluctant to make the hard choices necessary, w.r.t. healthcare and insurance.

    I remember another state recently built a bridge to nowhere, so that particular failing is not unique either. With less than $200 million sunk in the still-born bridge, I'd say Oregon got off easy. Massachusetts and the feds poured over $14 billion into the Big Dig in Boston.

    It's not as if Oregon politicians and bureaucrats have been struck by some incompetence virus which has left officials in other states or in the federal government unscathed. It's been said that "Politics is the art of the possible," (by Otto von Bismarck, no less), but when politicians delude themselves into thinking that anything and everything is possible by writing this or that legislation, that's where the trouble starts.

    If the voters don't hold their representatives accountable at election time, that's the voters' problem.
     
  19. Jun 10, 2014 #18
    Kentucky Kynect worked great from early on, and California's seemed to perform reasonably well (California's problems stem more from very limited networks and an over-focus on low premiums).

    So I strongly disagree with the idea posed by some in this thread that it's the ACA that made these exchanges to difficult to implement. They really shouldn't have been that hard to lay out, and they're working better every day.

    It's the incredible incompetence of our gov't that has made them such a disaster.
     
  20. Jun 10, 2014 #19

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    To which people do you refer? The ACA is not directly mentioned in this entire thread. There are a couple mentions of other exchanges (#15), and an oblique reference to healthcare.gov
     
  21. Jun 10, 2014 #20
    Yes it is.

    My response was not restricted to that one post, but it's a good example.
     
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