Create Free Energy: Is it Possible?

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The discussion centers around the concept of creating free energy, exploring whether it is theoretically possible to generate energy by manipulating large objects and atomic structures. Participants engage with the principles of energy conservation, atomic interactions, and the implications of energy transformations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes the idea of splitting an atom from a molecule and having it gravitate around a larger object to create energy, questioning whether this would yield a significant amount of energy.
  • Another participant asserts that this process creates no energy at all, referencing the law of conservation of energy.
  • Several participants clarify that energy cannot be created, only converted, and that any energy derived from atomic interactions is merely a transformation of existing energy.
  • One participant points out that an orbit represents a constant energy situation, implying that energy is not expended in such a scenario.
  • Another participant mentions that while chemical reactions can release energy, they do not create new energy, emphasizing that energy is already present in the system.
  • A later reply reiterates that the maximum energy obtainable from the proposed system would equal the energy required to split the atom from the molecule, reinforcing the idea of energy conservation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the principle that energy cannot be created, only converted. However, there are competing views regarding the feasibility and implications of the initial proposal, leading to an unresolved discussion on the specifics of energy generation methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of understanding about energy concepts, with some acknowledging their novice status in physics. The discussion touches on complex ideas without fully resolving the nuances of energy transformation and conservation.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students beginning their studies in physics, individuals curious about energy concepts, and those exploring theoretical discussions on energy generation.

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What I'm about to ask might sound dumb because I'm in sec 3 and just really recently started learning about energy , matter and whatnot. This is really just a pitch
To create free energy couldn't you take a really big object and split an atom from a molecule and have it gravitate around that big object to create energy? Or would that create an insignificantly low amount of energy? (I believe it would be the latter)
 
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It creates absolutely no energy at all.
 
According to law of conservation of energy, energy is neither created nor destroyed. In what way did you think it would create energy?
 
Venus0 said:
To create free energy couldn't you take a really big object and split an atom from a molecule and have it gravitate around that big object to create energy?
A small object "gravitating around" a big object? That sounds like an orbit. An orbit is a constant energy situation. Energy is not expended in an orbit.
 
Well yeah, you can mix some molecules with other ones, and the result is an explosion.
That doesn't make energy though, it just released energy that already was there.
 
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You can't create "free energy" (if you can, you're a shoo-in for a Nobel Prize). I'm not sure how your model would work. As rootone pointed out, you can certainly cause atoms to move between molecules and convert energy already in place to create all kinds of reactions. You can split the atom itself to create a nuclear reaction. But you're not "creating" energy, you're just converting it.
 
Venus0 said:
To create free energy couldn't you take a really big object and split an atom from a molecule and have it gravitate around that big object to create energy?
The maximum amount of energy you could get out of the system would be exactly the amount of energy that was needed to 'split' the atom from the molecule. Splitting and moving around atoms from and amongst molecules is actually what is happening when Chemical Compounds are changed and formed. Energy is available from that source but, as always, it's a downhill path and, once the fuel has been burned, it can't be burned again.
 
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Venus0 said:
What I'm about to ask might sound dumb because I'm in sec 3 and just really recently started learning about energy , matter and whatnot. This is really just a pitch
To create free energy couldn't you take a really big object and split an atom from a molecule and have it gravitate around that big object to create energy? Or would that create an insignificantly low amount of energy? (I believe it would be the latter)
Welcome to the PF, Venus. :smile:

It's great that you are starting to learn more about science and physics. Keep on learning, and you will be able to answer questions like this better on your own. We usually do not let discussions about Free Energy go on for very long, and prefer that you follow the links below to learn why you cannot create Free Energy or have Perpetual Motion Machines. I had the same thoughts and questions as you when I was starting to learn about science, and learned pretty quickly that "there is no free lunch". :smile:

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Some Topics We Don't Discuss Include:

Perpetual motion and "free energy" discussions
http://wiki.4hv.org/index.php/Free_Energy_Debunking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion
http://www.skepdic.com/freeenergy.html
http://www.skepdic.com/perpetual.html
 
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