Create Vacuum Container - Lawrence's Crazy Idea

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The discussion revolves around Lawrence's idea of creating a vacuum container filled with pure elemental gases. Participants explore the feasibility of building such a container, the necessary equipment, and alternative methods for achieving the desired outcome. The scope includes practical applications, technical challenges, and personal experiences related to vacuum systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • Lawrence expresses interest in creating a vacuum container and seeks advice on building a containment field and achieving a vacuum.
  • Some participants question the notion that the project is impossible, noting that vacuum chambers and filling them with gases are common practices.
  • Lawrence shares his background as a newcomer to physics and mentions previous projects, indicating a desire to learn more about advancements in the field.
  • One participant suggests exploring vacuum enthusiasts' resources and mentions the cost and complexity of vacuum systems, recommending specific equipment like turbo pumps and vane pumps.
  • Another participant proposes consulting manufacturers of gaseous signs as a potential shortcut to obtain the desired gases in a simpler manner.
  • Lawrence expresses excitement about a connection he made with a local neon sign manufacturer, indicating a willingness to seek their assistance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that creating a vacuum container is feasible, but there are differing opinions on the complexity and cost involved in achieving the desired vacuum levels. The discussion remains open regarding the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various technical aspects and equipment necessary for creating a vacuum, but there are no detailed specifications or calculations provided. The discussion does not resolve the complexities involved in building the vacuum container.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in vacuum technology, hobbyist physicists, and those exploring practical applications of gas containment may find this discussion relevant.

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Hey physics forum,
My name is Lawrence and I have a crazy idea, i want to create a vacuum container (as close to space as POSSIBLE). then I want to fill it with equal parts of the pure elemental gases. I know this might be impossible but if anyone knows away to build a containment field and a vacuum to pull everything out of it before inserting the gas. ANY help would be extremely helpful. Thank you.
 
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Why would this be impossible (or even difficult)? Vacuum chambers are commonplace in the physics community, and filling containers with elemental gases is commonplace too...
 
My Father has said it was impossible, I'm trying to build it at home, and I'm actually quite new to everything. I have just started my OFFICIAL physics education and have fallen for it, I have done the occassional project on the side, a Tesla Coil here and an "HHO engine" there. I hope you can forgive the uneducated question but I'm curious about every advancement we've made.
 
xicor123 said:
My Father has said it was impossible, I'm trying to build it at home, and I'm actually quite new to everything. I have just started my OFFICIAL physics education and have fallen for it, I have done the occassional project on the side, a Tesla Coil here and an "HHO engine" there. I hope you can forgive the uneducated question but I'm curious about every advancement we've made.

Welcome to the PF, Lawrence. Here is a link to learn more about vacuum pumps and vacuum chambers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_pump

And here is a general link for learning more about general physics topics:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/hframe.html

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Playing in vacuum can go from crazy to ultra cray, depending on what performance you expect from your system. You might peruse a vacuum enthusiasts page:
http://belljar.net/
Generally, the price goes from expensive to OMG expensive, with a good general system being a turbo pump tied to your main chamber and a vane pump backing that. WIth a little playing an some valves, you shoulde be able to go from 10-7Torr on up to 1 Torr
Of course, even for the simpliest syste, you'll need a means of flow control (needle valve) and a remeasuring device (pressure or low).
 
There might be a shortcut to the desired end by consulting with manufacturers of gaseous signs. Neon, argon, etc. are routinely sucked into evacuated tubing in order to advertise the local bar or burger joint. I'm sure that one of them would be able to give you a simple tube of multiple gases for a reasonable fee.
 
:D i can't believe that I didn't think about that. I've already set up a good connection with the local neon sign, He gave me one of his 15kv 30ma iron core transformers for CHEAP. I will definitely ask for their help THANK YOU.
 
You're more than welcome. Always remember that sometimes "simple with a price tag" is better than "complicated for free". :biggrin:
 

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