Cross Product in E_u: Explaining Gourgoulhon's Text

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The discussion centers around the interpretation of a specific proposition in Gourgoulhon's text on special relativity, particularly regarding the cross product induced by metric duality in the context of the vector space associated with an observer's local rest space. Participants explore the mathematical framework and notation used in the text, aiming to clarify the relationship between antisymmetric bilinear forms and the cross product in the context of the observer's frame.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty understanding how the metric duality induces a cross product, specifically referencing a proposition in Gourgoulhon's text.
  • Another participant notes that in 3D space, there is a unique trilinear antisymmetric form that relates two vectors to produce a one-form, which by metric duality results in a vector.
  • A participant clarifies their misunderstanding regarding the notation, realizing that the object ##\epsilon_u(v,w, \dots)## is actually the g-dual of a linear form, rather than a one-form as initially thought.
  • Another participant acknowledges the complexity of the wording in the text, suggesting that it can lead to confusion regarding the notation.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the clarity of the text's explanation, with some expressing confusion while others attempt to clarify the concepts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise interpretation of the cross product in this context.

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Participants highlight the potential for misunderstanding due to the unusual wording and notation used in the text, which may obscure the relationships between the mathematical objects discussed.

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I study from Gourgoulhon's text 'special relativity in general frames', I have some difficulty to understanding Chapter 3 Page 84. I already learn that there exist a orthogonal projection mapping ##\bot_{u}:E \rightarrow E_u(P)## from the vector space ##E \cong R^4## to the subspace ##E_u(P)## associated with local rest space ##\mathscr{E}_u(P)## of the observer at event ##P##.

Now want to proof the proposition (3.37), that given timelike ##u \in E## and antisymmetric bilinear form ##A##, there exist unique form ##q = A(., u) \in E^*## and unique vector ##b \in E## such that ##A = u \otimes q - q \otimes u + \epsilon(u, b, \dots)##. During proof author writes "By metric duality, ##\epsilon_u## induces the cross product of two vectors of ##E_u## by $$\forall (v, w) \in {E_u}^2, \quad v \times_u w := \epsilon_u (v, w, \dots) = \epsilon(u, v, w, \dots)$$where ##\epsilon_u(v,w \dots)## stands for vector of ##E_u## associated by ##g##-duality to the linear form ##E_u \rightarrow R##, ##z \mapsto \epsilon(v, w, z)##... [and] ##\varepsilon(u,v,w, \dots)## stands for vector in ##E## that is ##g##-dual of the linear form ##E \rightarrow R, z \mapsto \epsilon(u,v,w,z)##"

I don't understand this part, please somebody can please explain how exactly this induces a cross product? (I do undertand what author mean by metric duality, that is simply the map ##\Phi_g## associating any ##u \in E## to a one-form ##\tilde{u} \in E^*## such that satisfy ## \langle \tilde{u}, v \rangle = g(u,v)## for all ##v \in E##, but I don't understand how it relate to the concept above).
 
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Not sure which part is unclear to you. In 3D space there is one trilinear antisymmetric form (up to a constant multiple). If you feed two vectors into it, you get a one form. By metric duality it gives you a vector.
 
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Thank yes I did now understand, what confuse me is that it look on paper like the object ##\epsilon_u(v,w, \dots)## is a oneform ##E_u \rightarrow R## (LV tensor with a one unfilled slot for a vector), but author instead mean that this object above is g-dual ##(\in E_u##) of what I thinking before. so I simply was imagining the isomorphism wrong way round in my brain ;) ;)

apologise for trivial question :), thank @martinbn
 
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No need for apology. It is worded in an unusual way. It is easy to loose track of the notations and not see the forest because of the trees.
 
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For me In 3D space there is one trilinear antisymmetric form
 

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