I Cross Product in E_u: Explaining Gourgoulhon's Text

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The discussion focuses on understanding a specific proposition in Gourgoulhon's text regarding the relationship between an antisymmetric bilinear form and the cross product in the context of special relativity. The key point is the connection between metric duality and the induced cross product of vectors in the local rest space associated with an observer. Participants clarify that the confusion arises from interpreting the notation and the nature of the forms involved, particularly the distinction between one-forms and their dual vectors. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly visualizing the isomorphism related to these mathematical concepts. Overall, the dialogue highlights the complexities of the material and the need for careful attention to notation in advanced mathematical discussions.
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I study from Gourgoulhon's text 'special relativity in general frames', I have some difficulty to understanding Chapter 3 Page 84. I already learn that there exist a orthogonal projection mapping ##\bot_{u}:E \rightarrow E_u(P)## from the vector space ##E \cong R^4## to the subspace ##E_u(P)## associated with local rest space ##\mathscr{E}_u(P)## of the observer at event ##P##.

Now want to proof the proposition (3.37), that given timelike ##u \in E## and antisymmetric bilinear form ##A##, there exist unique form ##q = A(., u) \in E^*## and unique vector ##b \in E## such that ##A = u \otimes q - q \otimes u + \epsilon(u, b, \dots)##. During proof author writes "By metric duality, ##\epsilon_u## induces the cross product of two vectors of ##E_u## by $$\forall (v, w) \in {E_u}^2, \quad v \times_u w := \epsilon_u (v, w, \dots) = \epsilon(u, v, w, \dots)$$where ##\epsilon_u(v,w \dots)## stands for vector of ##E_u## associated by ##g##-duality to the linear form ##E_u \rightarrow R##, ##z \mapsto \epsilon(v, w, z)##... [and] ##\varepsilon(u,v,w, \dots)## stands for vector in ##E## that is ##g##-dual of the linear form ##E \rightarrow R, z \mapsto \epsilon(u,v,w,z)##"

I don't understand this part, please somebody can please explain how exactly this induces a cross product? (I do undertand what author mean by metric duality, that is simply the map ##\Phi_g## associating any ##u \in E## to a one-form ##\tilde{u} \in E^*## such that satisfy ## \langle \tilde{u}, v \rangle = g(u,v)## for all ##v \in E##, but I don't understand how it relate to the concept above).
 
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Not sure which part is unclear to you. In 3D space there is one trilinear antisymmetric form (up to a constant multiple). If you feed two vectors into it, you get a one form. By metric duality it gives you a vector.
 
Thank yes I did now understand, what confuse me is that it look on paper like the object ##\epsilon_u(v,w, \dots)## is a oneform ##E_u \rightarrow R## (LV tensor with a one unfilled slot for a vector), but author instead mean that this object above is g-dual ##(\in E_u##) of what I thinking before. so I simply was imagining the isomorphism wrong way round in my brain ;) ;)

apologise for trivial question :), thank @martinbn
 
No need for apology. It is worded in an unusual way. It is easy to loose track of the notations and not see the forest because of the trees.
 
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For me In 3D space there is one trilinear antisymmetric form
 
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