Dark matter distribution around black holes.

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The discussion revolves around methods for determining the dark matter distribution around a galaxy's central black hole, exploring both theoretical and observational approaches. It touches on astrophysical concepts and the implications of black holes on dark matter distribution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests starting with general methods for determining dark matter distribution around galaxies and then applying those methods to the region near black holes.
  • Another participant questions the validity of extrapolating galaxy-wide methods to the central region, noting potential issues with infinite density in certain models like the NFW halo.
  • There is a proposal to examine stellar motion around the central black hole as a means to infer dark matter distribution, with an emphasis on deviations in stellar orbits.
  • A participant confirms that integrating the NFW halo does yield finite masses but cautions against using it near the black hole due to resolution issues in that region.
  • Discussion includes references to cosmological density profiles like NFW and Einasto, highlighting their applicability to large-scale structures rather than the immediate vicinity of black holes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of applying galaxy-wide dark matter distribution methods to the area surrounding black holes. There is no consensus on the best approach or the implications of black holes on dark matter distribution.

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Limitations include unresolved assumptions about the nature of dark matter and its interactions with black holes, as well as the challenges in accurately modeling the density profiles in the vicinity of black holes.

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For my research on astrophysics for the summer, a professor gave me this assignment but I don't know where to start. The question is: What methods could be used to find the dark matter distribution around a galaxy's central black hole?
 
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Perhaps start by researching how one determines dark matter distribution around a galaxy and extrapolate downward :)
 
I'm thinking the question may be designed to determine your (and our) understanding of the nature of Dark Matter and it's interactions. Ask yourself if we know if Black Holes make any or any substantial difference to Dark Matter and it's distribution. In fact, what does seem to affect it's distribution? Is there any relationship from which to extrapolate?
 
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rexregisanimi said:
Perhaps start by researching how one determines dark matter distribution around a galaxy and extrapolate downward :)
That's not a good idea. If you do that for, say, an NFW halo you get towards infinite density at the centre.

If you are referring to the black hole at the centre of our galaxy, there are stars that can be used as tracers of potential and thus could get you a dark matter distribution. However, there is a slight snag to doing that, which I will leave you to figure out :-)
 
EdgePenguin said:
That's not a good idea. If you do that for, say, an NFW halo you get towards infinite density at the centre.


I was referring to examining stellar motion in the central parts of the galaxy. Examining the motion of stars in orbit around the central black hole and noting deviations, etc. should provide a start in getting the needed information...

Do the NFW equations diverge when integrated from r=0 to some positive value? It's something like 1/r^3, correct? Shouldn't that converge? ...It has been a while for me :)
 
Yes you do get finite masses integrating the NFW halo from r=0 due to the r^2 factor in the integral element. It's still not a good idea to use it near the central black hole.

Cosmological density profiles like NFW or Einasto (which is popular in N body simulations these days) are based on large scale structure and the region immediately around the black hole is not even slightly resolved.
 

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