De Broglie equation and black holes

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the De Broglie equation in the context of black holes, exploring its implications and related concepts in quantum mechanics and general relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the De Broglie wavelength applies to black holes and seeks to understand the consequences of this application.
  • Another participant explains the De Broglie wavelength formula and suggests that while it theoretically applies to black holes, the practical implications are negligible due to the extremely small wavelengths involved.
  • A different participant introduces the concept of a Universal flow constant (Gh/CC) and asks how it relates to black holes.
  • Another participant posits that the presence of black holes accelerates the flow of space-time.
  • In contrast, one participant argues against the idea of space-time flowing, suggesting instead that matter and photons move through space-time, and introduces a concept involving anti-matter and a reversed photo-electric effect in relation to black holes.
  • Another participant describes Gh/CC as a space/time constant, providing a mathematical perspective on its implications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of space-time in relation to black holes, with some supporting the idea of flow and others contesting it. The application of the De Broglie equation to black holes is acknowledged but remains a point of contention regarding its practical significance.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of terms like "flow" in the context of space-time and the implications of the De Broglie wavelength in extreme conditions such as those near black holes.

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Does this apply to a black hole? What would be the consequences of it? Thanks
 
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I assume you are talking about the De Broglie wavelength describing the wave-like nature of any object.

[tex]\lambda = \frac{h}{p} = \frac {h}{\gamma mv} = \frac {h}{mv} \sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}[/tex]

The is a Quantum Mechanical description. Yes it applies to black holes, yet in practice the wavelength is so small as to be pointless. Note that the wavelength and frequency is defined as probability waves. Getting into interpretations is probably too problematic here. The consequences is that if you had a few trillion trillion times longer than the life of the Universe you could get black holes produce an interference pattern in a double slit experiment. Not a consequence worth thinking much about.
 
Ok, we will try it here: Gh/CC is the Universal flow constant, so what does that say about black holes?
 
ok sammy, for me it means that space-time is flowing and it accelerates due to black holes presence. What do you think about that ?
 
I do not think that space-time flows, rather photons and other matter flow in space-time. If E=hn does -E=-hn ie. dE=hdn? For a black hole we can use Albert's photo-electric effect but reverse it (Sammy's electro-photic effect) and use anti-matter, then we should get photons going backwards in time ie. going back to the source and let the source be the black hole. This is a linear model like simple relativity, but we could also use GR for a gravitational model.
 
Gh/CC is the space/time constant; the units: dxdydz/dt; this is the first derivative of space with respect to time and it is constant.
 

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