De Sitter universe, is it compatible with darkenergy?

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The discussion centers on the compatibility of a De Sitter Universe model with dark energy, particularly regarding the implications of constant dark energy density. Participants explore the characteristics of a De Sitter Universe and its relationship to cosmological concepts such as expansion and the Hubble constant.

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  • Hurk4 questions whether a De Sitter Universe is compatible with dark energy and constant dark energy density.
  • Sylas asserts that a De Sitter Universe arises when dark energy dominates with a constant energy density.
  • Hurk4 inquires about the implications of 100% dark energy domination, including whether the universe is static and if its space-time is restricted.
  • Sylas explains that in the case of 100% dark energy, the universe is always expanding with a fixed Hubble constant, and there is no singularity in the past.
  • Hurk4 challenges the notion of static behavior by questioning the time dependency of the scale factor.
  • A later reply suggests that the universe can be considered static if one switches to static coordinates, referencing a Wikipedia article for further explanation.
  • Hurk4 raises a question about whether De Sitter anticipated the compatibility of his model with cosmic acceleration and how this acceleration manifests in his model.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of a De Sitter Universe, particularly regarding its static nature and time dependency. There is no consensus on whether De Sitter's model was anticipated to be compatible with cosmic acceleration.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about terminology and the mathematical implications of the De Sitter model, highlighting limitations in their understanding of cosmological concepts.

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Maybe obvious, but I will ask it here.
Is a "De Sitter Universe (as a model) compatible with dark energy, and if so, is it then also compatible with constant-dark-energy-density?

kind regards
Hurk4
 
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hurk4 said:
Maybe obvious, but I will ask it here.
Is a "De Sitter Universe (as a model) compatible with dark energy, and if so, is it then also compatible with constant-dark-energy-density?

kind regards
Hurk4

As I understand it, a De Sitter Universe is what you get when the universe is dominated by dark energy, with a constant energy density.

Cheers -- sylas
 
sylas said:
As I understand it, a De Sitter Universe is what you get when the universe is dominated by dark energy, with a constant energy density.

Cheers -- sylas

Dear Sylas.

As a (math. model):
1) also when this domination is exact 100% ?
2) is it static?
3) is its space-time restricted?

regards
hurk4
 
hurk4 said:
Dear Sylas.

As a (math. model):
1) also when this domination is exact 100% ?
2) is it static?
3) is its space-time restricted?

regards
hurk4

I am not sure what you mean. I'm a novice in cosmology, so I'm not good with terminology, sorry. The simplest case, which is what de Sitter worked out, I believe, is 100% dark energy. In this case, the universe is static in an interesting kind of way. It is always expanding, but the Hubble constant is fixed for all time. There's also no singularity in the past, it simply remains at 100% dark energy forever. This is also a flat universe, and so (ignoring topological oddities) it would be infinite. Infinite in space, in time to the future, and in time to the past.

The scale factor is
a = e^{Ht}​
t is time, and H is the Hubble constant. The Hubble constant at a point in time is defined to be
\frac{\dot{a}}{a} = \frac{He^{Ht}}{e^{Ht}} = H​

The differential equation for scale factor in the simple FRW models is
\dot{a} = a H_0 \sqrt{\Omega_r a^{-4} + \Omega_m a^{-3} + \Omega_k a^{-2} + \Omega_\Lambda}​

100% dark energy means ΩΛ is 1 and the other densities are zero, so it becomes the very simple equation
\dot{a} = a H_0​
from which we get the exponential function for the scale factor.

Cheers -- sylas
 
sylas said:
The simplest case, which is what de Sitter worked out, I believe, is 100% dark energy. In this case, the universe is static in an interesting kind of way. It is always expanding, but the Hubble constant is fixed for all time. There's also no singularity in the past, it simply remains at 100% dark energy forever. This is also a flat universe, and so (ignoring topological oddities) it would be infinite. Infinite in space, in time to the future, and in time to the past.

The scale factor is
a = e^{Ht}​
t is time, and H is the Hubble constant. The Hubble constant at a point in time is defined to be
\frac{\dot{a}}{a} = \frac{He^{Ht}}{e^{Ht}} = H​


Cheers -- sylas

Static?, (in an interesting kind of way)
Why then t dependent?

Regards
hurk4
 
Why then t dependent?
It isn't, if you switch to static coordinates. It's all explained in the Wikipedia article.
 
Ich said:
It isn't, if you switch to static coordinates. It's all explained in the Wikipedia article.

Ok, thank you.

regards hurk4
 
sylas said:
As I understand it, a De Sitter Universe is what you get when the universe is dominated by dark energy, with a constant energy density.

Cheers -- sylas

Could or did De Sitter foresee in his time that his model was compatible with the acceleration? Can we see from his model how this acceleration works out, e.g. linear or exponential or?

kind regards
hurk4
 

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