Decompressing through an underwater horn shaped tunnel

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using a horn-shaped tunnel made of solid steel for safe decompression from deep sea to the surface during underwater exploration. It touches on the physics of pressure changes, physiological effects on the human body, and comparisons to past tragedies in deep-sea exploration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that a horn-shaped tunnel could allow a submarine to ascend slowly, enabling the body to adjust to decreasing pressure incrementally.
  • Another participant challenges this idea, stating that the cross-section of the tunnel does not affect the pressure experienced by the submarine.
  • It is noted that the equation P=ρgh applies to incompressible water, emphasizing that depth is the critical factor in pressure changes.
  • Some participants argue that the physiological issues, such as decompression sickness, are more significant than mechanical or physics-related concerns when discussing pressure changes on the human body.
  • There is a distinction made between the pressure maintained inside a deep submersible and the limits of human tolerance to external pressure without a rigid hull.
  • Concerns are raised about the time required for safe decompression after deep dives, with references to specific depths and the associated risks of rapid ascents.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the effectiveness and necessity of the horn-shaped tunnel concept, with some asserting that it does not provide any advantages over existing methods of ascent. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the physiological impacts of pressure changes, the assumptions underlying the proposed method, and the complexities of safe decompression practices.

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Since the Titan sub disaster I have been thinking about the issue of protecting people from the dangers of the pressure changes associated with deep sea exploration. Reading about the Byford dolphin tragedy in particular was chilling. This was just a thought experiment of mine and I was wondering how feasible it was.

So take a horn shaped tunnel of solid steel and place the wide end on the sea floor and the narrow end on the surface. If a submarine where to travel through it, if my rusty high school level knowledge of physics is correct, the hydrostatic pressure acting on it will reduce as the diameter of the horn reduces (P= pgh). So if the sub travels slowly enough for the body to incrementally adjust, could this method get people safely from deep sea to the surface?
 
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Sorry but your physics is in fact rusty (from the salt water!). The cross section matters not at all.
 
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P=ρgh is the equation for incompressible water ignoring atmospheric pressure. More importantly, h is the depth.
 
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If the sub travelled slowly from the sea floor to the surface, the pressure on it is going to decrease to a safe level as it does so. Full stop. No horn.

So what exactly does the horn accomplish that is not accomplished without it? That's a rhetorical question for you to answer.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
So what exactly does the horn accomplish that is not accomplished without it? That's a rhetorical question for you to answer.
I'd like to unrhetorical it: @Jimijel what exactly do you think the horn will do? And how do you think it relates to either the OceanGate or Byford dolphin tragedies?
 
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If we're talking about the issues of pressure on the human body, we run into physiological issues long before mechanical/physics issues. Decompression sickness, anyone?
 
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Flyboy said:
If we're talking about the issues of pressure on the human body, we run into physiological issues long before mechanical/physics issues. Decompression sickness, anyone?
There are two distinct issued to discuss here.

Firstly, a deep submersible maintains surface pressure inside it and the passengers' bodies are not affected by the outside pressure. At any significant depth, the hull has to be immensely strong to withstand the ambient pressure.

Secondly, without the protection by a rigid hull, our bodies can only tolerate a very moderate pressure. 40m is the limit of water depth that recreational scuba divers can tolerate safely and, even at that depth, there are time limits and 'stops' during the ascent. Deeper, extended diving requires long periods of decompression - I have read one day of slow decompression time per 100m of dive depth - to allow the dissolved gasses to be breathed out safely.
 

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