Measure Density Precisely w/ Waterproof Balance: Price Guide

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods for measuring the density of solids, particularly using waterproof balances in water, and the associated pricing for such equipment. Participants explore various techniques and tools for achieving precise density measurements.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about measuring density as precisely as possible using a waterproof balance under water and asks for price information.
  • Another participant questions the type of material whose density is being measured, suggesting it could be gas, liquid, solid, or powder.
  • A third participant proposes that the density measurement pertains to solids, specifically mentioning a piece of steel.
  • A participant suggests that determining the volume accurately is crucial since mass measurement is straightforward, recommending the use of pycnometers for volume measurement.
  • Some participants mention the use of Archimedes' principle as a method for measuring volume by displacing water, estimating that this could yield around 1% accuracy.
  • Another idea is presented about manufacturing a cuboid with high dimensional tolerance to measure its mass, while also questioning the accuracy of using a Eureka Can for volume measurement.
  • There is a mention of alternative approaches, such as measuring the speed of sound in the material, though concerns about measuring dimensions are raised.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various methods and considerations for measuring density, with no clear consensus on the best approach or the accuracy of different techniques. Multiple competing views on methods and tools remain present.

Contextual Notes

Some methods discussed depend on specific assumptions about the materials and conditions, such as the accuracy of volume measurement techniques and the properties of the materials involved.

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How to measure density as much precise as possible. Possibly with a waterproof balance under watter.
What the prices are?
 
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Density of *what*- gas, liquid , solid, powder, ...
 
I think density of solid. Piece of steel or..
 
Then what you really need is an accurate method of determining the volume- the mass is easy.

Pycnometers measure volume, and there are commercial devices that are used for solids:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_pycnometer

I'm more familiar with the use of a pycnometer for the volume of liquids, and most of the gas ones seem geared towards powders/porous materials, but calling some of the manufacturers should point you to an appropriate instrument.

Failing that, simply follow Archimedes' idea: place the sample in a full beaker of (degassed, distilled) water, collect the overflow and weigh it- since you know the density of water, you then know the displaced volume. I bet you could get 1% accuracy this way, easily.
 
Perhaps you could actually manufacture a cuboid to high dimensional tolerance (for volume) and then measure its mass. Using a 'Eureka Can' isn't a very accurate method of volume measurement.

There may be other approaches, like measurement of the speed of sound in the material. You would still have the problem of measuring dimensions unless you could somehow measure the reflection at the interface with a known substance.
 

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