Derivative for a Galilean Tranformation

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The discussion revolves around finding the coefficients a, b, c, and d in the context of partial derivatives using the chain rule, specifically related to Galilean transformations. The original poster presents a problem involving the transformation equations for space and time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the chain rule to derive the coefficients and question the assumptions regarding the dependence of variables. There is confusion about the implications of the transformation equations on the partial derivatives, particularly concerning the variable t' being equivalent to t.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights regarding the calculations, particularly pointing out the dependence of x on x' and the implications for the value of b. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct values for a, b, c, and d, with some participants suggesting potential corrections to the original poster's reasoning.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original poster's submission was marked incorrect, leading to confusion about the relationships between the variables and their derivatives. The discussion reflects a need to clarify the assumptions underlying the Galilean transformation equations.

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Homework Statement


Using the chain rule, find a, b, c, and d:
$$\frac{\partial}{\partial x'} = a\frac{\partial}{\partial x} + b\frac{\partial}{\partial t}$$
$$\frac{\partial}{\partial t'} = c\frac{\partial}{\partial x} + d\frac{\partial}{\partial t}$$

Homework Equations


Chain rule:
$$\frac{\partial f(x,t)}{\partial x'} = \frac{\partial x}{\partial x'}\frac{\partial f}{\partial x} + \frac{\partial t}{\partial x'}\frac{\partial f}{\partial t}$$
The same form can be used for t'.

Gaililean tranformation
$$x' = x - vt$$
$$t' = t$$

The Attempt at a Solution


For x',
$$a = \frac{\partial x}{\partial x'} = \frac{\partial}{\partial x'} (x' + vt) = 1$$
$$b = \frac{\partial t}{\partial x'} = \frac{\partial}{\partial x'} (\frac{1}{v}(x-x')) = -\frac{1}{v}$$

Similarly, for t',
$$c = \frac{\partial x}{\partial t'} = \frac{\partial}{\partial t'} (x' + vt) = \frac{\partial}{\partial t'} (x' + vt')= v$$
$$d = \frac{\partial t}{\partial t'} = \frac{\partial t'}{\partial t'} = 1$$
 
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eys_physics said:
What is your question?
I do not know what is wrong. When I submitted my solution, it was wrong.

I am also confused. Since if t' = t, then shouldn't the partials be equivalent? That would mean c=0 and d=1.
 
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You have that ##t=t'##, so ##t## doesn't have any dependence on ##x'##. Therefore,
$$b=0$$
In your derivation of ##b## you are missing that ##x## depends on ##x'##.
 
eys_physics said:
You have that ##t=t'##, so ##t## doesn't have any dependence on ##x'##. Therefore,
$$b=0$$
In your derivation of ##b## you are missing that ##x## depends on ##x'##.
So overall,
a = 1,
b= 0,
c = v,
d = 1?
 
Yes, it should be correct.
 

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