Deriving the Equation for Projectile Motion: t = 2(vi)/g*sin(theta)

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The discussion revolves around deriving the equation for the time of flight of a projectile, specifically the formula t = 2(vi)/g*sin(theta), where vi represents initial velocity and g is the acceleration due to gravity. Participants are exploring the context of projectile motion and the implications of the equation's components.

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  • Participants are attempting to derive the equation and clarify the definitions of variables. Questions arise regarding the placement of the sin(theta) term and the dimensional consistency of the equation. Some participants express confusion about the context and the setup of the problem.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and questioning each other's interpretations. There is a recognition of confusion regarding the equation's structure and the need for clarity on the definitions of variables. Some guidance has been offered regarding the physical context of the problem and the nature of projectile motion.

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Participants note the importance of defining the context for the equation, specifically mentioning a launch simulation and the neglect of air resistance. There is also a discussion about the implications of the vertical motion being subject to constant acceleration.

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1. Derive this equation
t = 2(vi)/g*sin(theta)

where vi isinitial velocity, and g is acceleration due to gravity

2. Implicit differentiation, possibly gravity as a constant.

The Attempt at a Solution



t = 2(vi)/v*sin(theta)
dt/d(theta) = 2(vi)/g * dt/d(theta)(sin(theta))
dt/d(theta) = 2(vi)/g * cos(theta)

Basically, I said that velocity and gravity were constants as well as 2. Would this be a correct derivation of the listed formula
 
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First, a physical equation is meaningless without a context and a definition of variables within that context. Describe the set-up.
Next, I don't understand the first equation of your attempted solution. What is v here, and where does this equation come from?
 
I think this is the formula for the time for a projectile launched from ground level at an angle θ to reach the ground level again, in which case the sin(θ) term should be in the numerator not the denominator.
 
andrevdh said:
I think this is the formula for the time for a projectile launched from ground level at an angle θ to reach the ground level again, in which case the sin(θ) term should be in the numerator not the denominator.
If both v's are velocities the equation is dimensionally wrong. And g should feature somewhere.
 
I am referring to the equation in 1.
 
andrevdh said:
I am referring to the equation in 1.
Ok. It does help to use the quote feature or otherwise clarify the reference. From the sequence of posts, it was natural to read it as a response to my comment on an equation.
To reply appropriately to your post, there being no parentheses, the sin is in the numerator.
 
Sorry. Will use it in the future.
 
Alright, I'm going to update this for you since apparently there is a lot of confusion. g is that gravitational constant of acceleration. V(i) is the initial velocity, as stated above. The context is a launch simulation, and the problem asks for a derivation. The lack of parentheses does say that the sin(theta) is in the numerator, and it is absolutely correct. Whether it should be there or not in your opinion, it is there in my homework.
 
It seems you are to derive the time a projectile spends in the air (or vacuum, since we generally neglect air resistance for this problem) between launch and touch-down. Here is a hint: The vertical part of the motion is subject to constant acceleration, and there is an equation for the vertical component of velocity in that case. At the top of the trajectory, the vertical component of velocity is zero (why?). This fact will enable you to derive the time it takes for the projectile to reach the highest point of the trajectory. The total time is twice this time (why?).
 
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Paradise Jack said:
Alright, I'm going to update this for you since apparently there is a lot of confusion. g is that gravitational constant of acceleration. V(i) is the initial velocity, as stated above. The context is a launch simulation, and the problem asks for a derivation. The lack of parentheses does say that the sin(theta) is in the numerator, and it is absolutely correct. Whether it should be there or not in your opinion, it is there in my homework.
Ok, and I assume the 'v' (as opposed to v(i)) in the first equation of your attempted solution is a typo for 'g'.
If so, I wonder if you have misunderstood what you are asked to do. You are asked to show that the given equation is correct (derive it, i.e. obtain it from first principles). Instead, you seem to have taken it as correct and differentiated it.
 
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What will the y-displacement be when the projectile lands back on the ground?
 
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