Designing a Motorized Chalk Eraser to Reduce Effort

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The discussion revolves around the design of a motorized chalk eraser intended to minimize user effort and eliminate chalk dust. Participants explore various design considerations, calculations, and potential mechanisms for the device, including the use of vacuum technology and fabric rollers.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes designing a chalk eraser that functions similarly to a vacuum cleaner, emphasizing the need for a compact, battery-operated device.
  • Another suggests looking into miniature vacuum cleaners used in photography for design inspiration.
  • A different participant recommends examining vacuum setups used with drywall sanders as a practical reference for the design.
  • One participant shares their design concept, which includes a roller and brusher mechanism, and seeks guidance on necessary calculations for pressure and motor speed.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of "capture velocity," explaining that a minimum air speed is required to effectively collect chalk dust, citing a typical value of 2000 feet per minute for fine powders.
  • One reply mentions that the required capture velocity can be reduced to 150 feet per minute when capturing particles in an enclosed area, as opposed to open air.
  • A participant inquires about the necessity of calculating shaft sizes for the motor and the implications of having a powerful capture velocity, given the presence of a brusher in their design.
  • There is a question regarding the effectiveness of using a fabric roller to erase chalk from a blackboard, with one participant asserting it is possible depending on the fabric used.
  • Another participant suggests testing the fabric's effectiveness with a prototype to determine if it can remove chalk effectively when moved laterally across a blackboard.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the design and functionality of the motorized chalk eraser, particularly regarding the required capture velocity and the effectiveness of fabric rollers. No consensus is reached on these points.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various assumptions related to air velocity, motor power, and the effectiveness of different materials, but these remain unresolved. The calculations and design parameters are dependent on specific conditions that have not been fully defined.

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well,im thinkin of designing an eraser,specifically the conventional chalk eraser, that can act like a vacuum cleaner,in the sense that i would have to put a motor in it,for the reason that the user would have to use a lesser effort for him to erase something,nd no chalk dust...well u could say that it is nonsense,but is this possible to do,and definitely,it must be small like other eraser and no plugs,just battery..
if its possible,where shud i start the design..tnx a bunch..
 
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Have a look at miniature vacuum cleaners used for photographic applications.
 
As design inspiration, take a look at the vacuum set ups they use with drywall sanders in home improvement stores. They work pretty well and it would serve the same purpose.
 
well,i actually do have a design now..but would just like to ask wat r the calculation that i shud have with this one..because my prof requires us to show calculations of our design..
i made an eraser,just like the conventional in shape and size, has a roller and a brusher, that would eliminate the dust in the fabric's surface and the vacuum setup on top, but really can't frigure out, if it would work,what r the things that i cud compute and how should i do it..how wud i know,if the pressure is enough, and bout the motor speed,coz i was thinkin if it can b powered by a battery,,..is 4 AA enough, to power the motor and the fan as well..what other things should i consider?tnx..
 
What you are trying to calculate is "capture velocity." This is basically the speed that the air needs to travel in order to "grab" the chaulk dust and hold it until it is moved through a channel or passage to where you want to deposit it.

The capture velocity of very fine powder and dust is 2000 FPM.

If you do not produce this velocity of air the dust will fall out of the air and accumulate on the duct or passage, or won't be picked up at all.

The calculation is simple enough: Q=AV

Q = Quantity of air in Ft cubed per minute (CFM)

A = Cross sectional area of orifice in square feet

V = velocity of air in feet per minute

Perhaps with a beater-bar type arrangement lifting and throwing the dust and short enough run to the depository for the dust this velocity could be reduced some.
 
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tnx a lot..its really a big help..do i have to compute the right sizes of shafts for the motor..or its not needed..do i really have to have a powerful capture velocity,that large..since i do have a brusher..all i need is something that can suck the dust..up to the compartment.
 
Considering you are capturing the particles in a enclosed area, close to the orifice, I discovered that you can reduce the rate down to only about 150 fpm. The higher velocity capture rate was for dust in open air.

Check out the fan laws and relate them to the fan you are planning to use to determine the capacity it will move the air at what RPM and HP.

http://www.efisystemsgroup.com/fanlaws.htm"
 
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well..bout the formula u've given..i was actually luking for the right cross sectional area,since i don't have an idea bout the value of Q...
and would just like to ask,can a fabric in a roller erase a chalk from a blackboard,moving it laterally,coz someone tells me it can't..but i still insist it can..maybe depending on the fabric..is it possible?
 
titus_polo said:
can a fabric in a roller erase a chalk from a blackboard,moving it laterally,coz someone tells me it can't..but i still insist it can..maybe depending on the fabric..is it possible?

I would say this would be a good thing to test with a prototype or model. A prototype doesn't have to be exactly like the invention, just needs to test the function of the components. Create a roller and try different types of cloth.
Even just moving it manually, just to see if the cloth will remove the chaulk. Even just moving the cloth laterally across the blackboard by hand will give you an idea if it could do what you intend.
 

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