Determine the set of odd primes ## p ##?

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The discussion focuses on determining the set of odd primes p for which 23 is a quadratic residue. It applies the Quadratic Reciprocity Law, concluding that (23|p)=1 if p≡1 (mod 4) and (23|p)=-(p|23) if p≡3 (mod 4). Two cases are analyzed: in the first case, specific residues modulo 23 lead to p being congruent to 1 modulo 92, while in the second case, different residues yield another set of primes. The final set of odd primes identified as solutions includes 1, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 19, 25, 29, 41, 43, 49, 51, 63, 67, 73, 77, 79, 81, 83, 85, and 91. The discussion emphasizes the importance of verifying the conditions for quadratic residues in relation to the primes considered.
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Homework Statement
Determine the set of odd primes ## p ## for which ## 23 ## is a quadratic residue.
Relevant Equations
If ## p ## and ## q ## are distinct odd primes, then ## (p|q)=(q|p) ##, if either ## p\equiv 1\pmod {4} ## or ## q\equiv 1\pmod {4} ##, and ## -(q|p) ##, if ## p\equiv q\equiv 3\pmod {4} ##.
Let ## p ## be an odd prime.
Then ## 23 ## is a quadratic residue modulo ## p ## if ## (23|p)=1 ##.
Applying the Quadratic Reciprocity Law produces:
## (23|p)=(p|23) ## if ## p\equiv 1\pmod {4} ##
## (23|p)=-(p|23) ## if ## p\equiv 3\pmod {4} ##.
Now we consider two cases.
Case #1: Suppose ## p\equiv 1\pmod {4} ##.
Then ## (23|p)=(p|23) ##.
Observe that ## (23|p)=1 ## if ## p\equiv 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 12, 13, 16, 18\pmod {23} ##.
By considering the quadratic residues modulo ## 23 ## and ## p\equiv 1\pmod {4} ##, we have ## p\equiv 1\pmod {92} ##.
Thus ## p\equiv 1\pmod {92}\in\left \{ 1, 9, 13, 25, 29, 41, 49, 73, 77, 81, 85 \right \} ##.
Case #2: Suppose ## p\equiv 3\pmod {4} ##.
Then ## (23|p)=-(p|23) ##.
Observe that ## (23|p)=1 ## if ## p\equiv 5, 7, 10, 11, 14, 15, 17, 19, 20, 21, 22\pmod {23} ##.
As in case #1, we consider ## p\equiv 1\pmod {92} ##.
Thus ## p\equiv 1\pmod {92}\in\left \{ 7, 11, 15, 19, 43, 51, 63, 67, 79, 83, 91 \right \} ##.
Therefore, the set of odd primes ## p ## for which ## 23 ## is a quadratic residue is
## \left \{ 1, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 19, 25, 29, 41, 43, 49, 51, 63, 67, 73, 77, 79, 81, 83, 85, 91 \right \} ##.
 
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Math100 said:
Homework Statement:: Determine the set of odd primes ## p ## for which ## 23 ## is a quadratic residue.
Relevant Equations:: If ## p ## and ## q ## are distinct odd primes, then ## (p|q)=(q|p) ##, if either ## p\equiv 1\pmod {4} ## or ## q\equiv 1\pmod {4} ##, and ## -(q|p) ##, if ## p\equiv q\equiv 3\pmod {4} ##.

Let ## p ## be an odd prime.
Then ## 23 ## is a quadratic residue modulo ## p ## if ## (23|p)=1 ##.
Applying the Quadratic Reciprocity Law produces:
## (23|p)=(p|23) ## if ## p\equiv 1\pmod {4} ##
## (23|p)=-(p|23) ## if ## p\equiv 3\pmod {4} ##.
Now we consider two cases.
Case #1: Suppose ## p\equiv 1\pmod {4} ##.
Then ## (23|p)=(p|23) ##.
So far so good.
Math100 said:
Observe that ## (23|p)=1 ## if ## p\equiv 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 12, 13, 16, 18\pmod {23} ##.
Maybe, but why?

And what about ##(23|p)=-1##? Case 1 only says they are equal, not equal to ##1.##
Math100 said:
By considering the quadratic residues modulo ## 23 ## and ## p\equiv 1\pmod {4} ##, we have ## p\equiv 1\pmod {92} ##.
How? Why does ##23|(p-1)##?
Math100 said:
Thus ## p\equiv 1\pmod {92}\in\left \{ 1, 9, 13, 25, 29, 41, 49, 73, 77, 81, 85 \right \} ##.
Case #2: Suppose ## p\equiv 3\pmod {4} ##.
Then ## (23|p)=-(p|23) ##.
Observe that ## (23|p)=1 ## if ## p\equiv 5, 7, 10, 11, 14, 15, 17, 19, 20, 21, 22\pmod {23} ##.
As in case #1, we consider ## p\equiv 1\pmod {92} ##.
Thus ## p\equiv 1\pmod {92}\in\left \{ 7, 11, 15, 19, 43, 51, 63, 67, 79, 83, 91 \right \} ##.
Therefore, the set of odd primes ## p ## for which ## 23 ## is a quadratic residue is
## \left \{ 1, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 19, 25, 29, 41, 43, 49, 51, 63, 67, 73, 77, 79, 81, 83, 85, 91 \right \} ##.
 
fresh_42 said:
So far so good.

Maybe, but why?

And what about ##(23|p)=-1##? Case 1 only says they are equal, not equal to ##1.##

How? Why does ##23|(p-1)##?
Because ## 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 12, 13, 16, 18 ## are the quadratic residues modulo ## 23 ##.
And the quadratic non-residues modulo ## 23 ## are ## 5, 7, 10, 11, 14, 15, 17, 19, 20, 21, 22 ##.
Lastly, ## 23\cdot 4=92 ##.
 
Math100 said:
Because ## 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 12, 13, 16, 18 ## are the quadratic residues modulo ## 23 ##.
... says who? How did you check that?
Math100 said:
And the quadratic non-residues modulo ## 23 ## are ## 5, 7, 10, 11, 14, 15, 17, 19, 20, 21, 22 ##.
... says who? How did you check that?
Math100 said:
Lastly, ## 23\cdot 4=92 ##.
I know. What I do not know is why ##23|(p-1).##

We are interested in primes ##p## such that ##23## is a quadratic residues modulo ##p##. This means ##(23|p)=1## which by the way answers my first question why you didn't consider the other case ##(23|p)=-1.## But that only says that there is an integer ##x\in \mathbb{Z}## such that ##23 \equiv x^2\pmod{p}.## It does not say ##x=1.## How do we know that ##23|(p-1)?## And where would you need this? Your solutions for ##p## aren't congruent ##1## modulo ##92.##
 
fresh_42 said:
... says who? How did you check that?

... says who? How did you check that?

I know. What I do not know is why ##23|(p-1).##

We are interested in primes ##p## such that ##23## is a quadratic residues modulo ##p##. This means ##(23|p)=1## which by the way answers my first question why you didn't consider the other case ##(23|p)=-1.## But that only says that there is an integer ##x\in \mathbb{Z}## such that ##23 \equiv x^2\pmod{p}.## It does not say ##x=1.## How do we know that ##23|(p-1)?## And where would you need this? Your solutions for ##p## aren't congruent ##1## modulo ##92.##
By the Quadratic residue formula, ## x^2\equiv q\pmod {n} ##. Since ## n=23 ## in this problem, the integer ## q ## is the quadratic residue modulo ## n ##. And the left over integers are quadratic nonresidues modulo ## n ##.
\begin{align*}
&1^2\equiv 1\pmod {23}\\
&2^2\equiv 4\pmod {23}\\
&3^2\equiv 9\pmod {23}\\
&\vdots\\
\end{align*}

I think there's also a typo in my first post, where you said I didn't consider the other case ## (23|p)=-1 ##.
 
Let me think aloud. We have ##\left(\dfrac{23}{p}\right)=\left(\dfrac{p}{23}\right)=1## in case ##p\equiv 1\pmod{4}## and ##\left(\dfrac{23}{p}\right)=1\, , \,\left(\dfrac{p}{23}\right)=-1## in case ##p\equiv 3\pmod{4}.## These cases come from the condition that ##23## is a quadratic residue modulo an odd prime ##p.##

Let's begin with the first case. From ##\left(\dfrac{p}{23}\right)=1## we get that ##p## is a quadratic residue modulo ##23.## Thus ##p\equiv x^2\pmod{23}.## The squares are
\begin{align*}
x^2&\in\{0,1,4,9,16,25,36,49,64,81,100,121,144,169,196,225,256,289,324,361,400,441,484\}\\
&=\{0,1,4,9,16,2,13,3,18,12,8,6,\}=\{0,1,2,3,4,6,8,9,12,13,16,18\} \pmod{23}
\end{align*}
That leaves us with the prime ##p=13=4\cdot 3+1## and ##13\equiv 6^2\pmod{23}.## Finally ##\left(\dfrac{13}{23}\right)=1## since ##23\equiv 6^2\pmod{13}.##

In the second case, we have ##\left(\dfrac{p}{23}\right)=-1## and ##p=4n+3## is a quadratic non-residue modulo ##23.## The complementary set to the first case is thus ##S:=\{5,7,10,11,14,15,17,19,20,21,22\}.##
This means ##p = 4n+3 \equiv s\pmod{23}## for some ##s\in S## and prime. Therefore ##p\in \{7,11,19\}=:S'.## To check whether these three primes are actual solutions, we need to solve ##23\equiv x^2\pmod{p}## for all ##p\in S'.##

The last step has to be done because we concluded from the premises that ##p## has to be in ##\{7,11,13,19\}##, but not, that all of them actually solve our problem. (I checked.)

These are considerably fewer primes than you have, even if I delete all non-primes from your list. I took ##p=67## from your solution and found ##23\equiv 31^2\pmod{67}.## So I lost solutions somewhere.

Your list (only primes) is ##\{7, 11, 13, 19, 29, 41, 43, 67, 73, 79, 83\}.## I checked them and they are indeed solutions.

a) Do you see where I lost the solutions ##\{29, 41, 43, 67, 73, 79, 83 \}##?
b) How can we know that there aren't even more solutions greater than ##92##?
c) What about ##15^2=225=2\cdot 101 +23 \equiv 23\pmod{101} ## or ##34^2=1156=11\cdot 103+23\equiv 23\pmod{103}##?
 
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fresh_42 said:
Let me think aloud. We have ##\left(\dfrac{23}{p}\right)=\left(\dfrac{p}{23}\right)=1## in case ##p\equiv 1\pmod{4}## and ##\left(\dfrac{23}{p}\right)=1\, , \,\left(\dfrac{p}{23}\right)=-1## in case ##p\equiv 3\pmod{4}.## These cases come from the condition that ##23## is a quadratic residue modulo an odd prime ##p.##

Let's begin with the first case. From ##\left(\dfrac{p}{23}\right)=1## we get that ##p## is a quadratic residue modulo ##23.## Thus ##p\equiv x^2\pmod{23}.## The squares are
\begin{align*}
x^2&\in\{0,1,4,9,16,25,36,49,64,81,100,121,144,169,196,225,256,289,324,361,400,441,484\}\\
&=\{0,1,4,9,16,2,13,3,18,12,8,6,\}=\{0,1,2,3,4,6,8,9,12,13,16,18\} \pmod{23}
\end{align*}
That leaves us with the prime ##p=13=4\cdot 3+1## and ##13\equiv 6^2\pmod{23}.## Finally ##\left(\dfrac{13}{23}\right)=1## since ##23\equiv 6^2\pmod{13}.##

In the second case, we have ##\left(\dfrac{p}{23}\right)=-1## and ##p=4n+3## is a quadratic non-residue modulo ##23.## The complementary set to the first case is thus ##S:=\{5,7,10,11,14,15,17,19,20,21,22\}.##
This means ##p = 4n+3 \equiv s\pmod{23}## for some ##s\in S## and prime. Therefore ##p\in \{7,11,19\}=:S'.## To check whether these three primes are actual solutions, we need to solve ##23\equiv x^2\pmod{p}## for all ##p\in S'.##

The last step has to be done because we concluded from the premises that ##p## has to be in ##\{7,11,13,19\}##, but not, that all of them actually solve our problem. (I checked.)

These are considerably fewer primes than you have, even if I delete all non-primes from your list. I took ##p=67## from your solution and found ##23\equiv 31^2\pmod{67}.## So I lost solutions somewhere.

Your list (only primes) is ##\{7, 11, 13, 19, 29, 41, 43, 67, 73, 79, 83\}.## I checked them and they are indeed solutions.

a) Do you see where I lost the solutions ##\{29, 41, 43, 67, 73, 79, 83 \}##?
b) How can we know that there aren't even more solutions greater than ##92##?
c) What about ##15^2=225=2\cdot 101 +23 \equiv 23\pmod{101} ## or ##34^2=1156=11\cdot 103+23\equiv 23\pmod{103}##?
From the second case, I found out that ## (7|23)=(11|23)=(19|23)=-1 ## because ## 23\equiv 3^{2}\pmod {7}, 23\equiv 1^{2}\pmod {11}, 23\equiv 2^{2}\pmod {19} ## from solving ## 23\equiv x^2\pmod {p} ## for all ## p\in\left \{ 7, 11, 19 \right \} ##. But I do not see where you lost the solutions ##\{29, 41, 43, 67, 73, 79, 83 \}##, I also realized that I made many mistakes in my first post and included many illogical assumptions such as ## 23\mid (p-1) ##. Can you please tell me how to find those solutions that were lost? And the fact that there aren't more solutions greater than ## 92 ##?
 
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We know from the quadratic residue law and our given conditions that for a prime ##p## to be a solution, there has to hold
$$
\left(\dfrac{p}{23}\right)=\underbrace{\left(\dfrac{23}{p}\right)}_{=1}\cdot \left(\dfrac{p}{23}\right)=(-1)^{\frac{11}{2}(p-1)}=
\begin{cases}
1&\text{ if } p\equiv 1\pmod{4}\\
-1&\text{ if } p\equiv 3\pmod{4}
\end{cases}
$$
This means that ##p## has to be a quadratic residue modulo ##23## in case ##p\equiv 1\pmod{4}## and a quadratic non-residue modulo ##23## in case ##p\equiv 3\pmod{4}.##

As you correctly listed are all remainders ##\{0,1,2,3,4,6,8,9,12,13,16,18\} \pmod{23}## those from some squares, and all remainders ##\{5,7,10,11,14,15,17,19,20,21,22\}\pmod{23}## are not.

So ##23## is a quadratic residue modulo a prime ##p \equiv 1\pmod{4}## if ##p\equiv r\pmod{23}## for some ##r\in \{0,1,2,3,4,6,8,9,12,13,16,18\}## and a quadratic residue modulo a prime ##p\equiv 3\pmod{4}## if ##p\equiv s\pmod{23}## for some ##s\in \{5,7,10,11,14,15,17,19,20,21,22\}.##

I am afraid it is simple as that. You only have to put the arguments in order. You should check whether your list of primes fulfills these conditions, and also check ##\{17,97,101,103,113\}## for which we already know whether they are a solution or not. (##17,97,113## are no solutions, ##101,103## are solutions.) You should also check whether you have all primes less than ##100## that are a solution in your list.
 
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fresh_42 said:
We know from the quadratic residue law and our given conditions that for a prime ##p## to be a solution, there has to hold
$$
\left(\dfrac{p}{23}\right)=\underbrace{\left(\dfrac{23}{p}\right)}_{=1}\cdot \left(\dfrac{p}{23}\right)=(-1)^{\frac{11}{2}(p-1)}=
\begin{cases}
1&\text{ if } p\equiv 1\pmod{4}\\
-1&\text{ if } p\equiv 3\pmod{4}
\end{cases}
$$
This means that ##p## has to be a quadratic residue modulo ##23## in case ##p\equiv 1\pmod{4}## and a quadratic non-residue modulo ##23## in case ##p\equiv 3\pmod{4}.##

As you correctly listed are all remainders ##\{0,1,2,3,4,6,8,9,12,13,16,18\} \pmod{23}## those from some squares, and all remainders ##\{5,7,10,11,14,15,17,19,20,21,22\}\pmod{23}## are not.

So ##23## is a quadratic residue modulo a prime ##p \equiv 1\pmod{4}## if ##p\equiv r\pmod{23}## for some ##r\in \{0,1,2,3,4,6,8,9,12,13,16,18\}## and a quadratic residue modulo a prime ##p\equiv 3\pmod{4}## if ##p\equiv s\pmod{23}## for some ##s\in \{5,7,10,11,14,15,17,19,20,21,22\}.##

I am afraid it is simple as that. You only have to put the arguments in order. You should check whether your list of primes fulfills these conditions, and also check ##\{17,97,101,103,113\}## for which we already know whether they are a solution or not. (##17,97,113## are no solutions, ##101,103## are solutions.) You should also check whether you have all primes less than ##100## that are a solution in your list.
That's what I was thinking earlier too. Sorry for the late response. I see it now.
 
  • #12
And I have another question, since you said that ## 92 ## is therefore not an upper bound for possible values ## p ##, shouldn't the answer be infinitely many primes ## p ##? Don't we have infinitely many prime numbers?
 
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Math100 said:
And I have another question, since you said that ## 92 ## is therefore not an upper bound for possible values ## p ##, shouldn't the answer be infinitely many primes ## p ##? Don't we have infinitely many prime numbers?
Probably, but not necessarily. One would have to prove it. Theoretically, it could be the case that there is a number ##N\in \mathbb{N}## such that:
\begin{align*}
\forall \,p>N \, &: \,p\text{ prime and } p\equiv 1\pmod{4} \Rightarrow p\equiv \{5,7,10,11,14,15,17,19,20,21,22\}\pmod{23}\\
\forall \,p>N \, &: \,p\text{ prime and } p\equiv 3\pmod{4} \Rightarrow p\equiv \{0,1,2,3,4,6,8,9,12,13,16,18\}\pmod{23}
\end{align*}
This is not very likely, however, neither is it obvious. I haven't looked into it, but maybe the theorems of Green-Tao and/or Szemerédi can help.
 
  • #14
##23\equiv x^2\pmod{1009}## has no solution since ##1009\equiv 20\pmod{23}\wedge 1009\equiv 1\pmod{4}.##
##23\equiv x^2\pmod{1019}## has a solution since ##1019\equiv 7\pmod{23}\wedge 1019\equiv 3\pmod{4}.##
It is ##23\equiv 467^2\pmod{1019}.##

So whatever ##N## would be, and I doubt it exists, we already know that ##N\ge 1019.##

In case you cannot sleep:
https://de.wikibooks.org/wiki/Primzahlen:_Tabelle_der_Primzahlen_(2_-_100.000) :cool:
 
  • #15
fresh_42 said:
##23\equiv x^2\pmod{1009}## has no solution since ##1009\equiv 20\pmod{23}\wedge 1009\equiv 1\pmod{4}.##
##23\equiv x^2\pmod{1019}## has a solution since ##1019\equiv 7\pmod{23}\wedge 1019\equiv 3\pmod{4}.##
It is ##23\equiv 467^2\pmod{1019}.##

So whatever ##N## would be, and I doubt it exists, we already know that ##N\ge 1019.##

In case you cannot sleep:
https://de.wikibooks.org/wiki/Primzahlen:_Tabelle_der_Primzahlen_(2_-_100.000) :cool:
Thank you for this!
 
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