Determining Order of Differential Equations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the order of differential equations, specifically focusing on a given example. Participants explore the concept of order in differential equations, substitutions that may affect the order, and the implications of these substitutions on solving the equations.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for help in determining the order of a specific differential equation.
  • Another participant states that the order of a differential equation is determined by the highest derivative present.
  • A participant identifies the order of the given differential equation as three but notes that a substitution can reduce the order to two.
  • There is a suggestion that reducing the order through substitution is possible when the function itself is not present in the differential equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method for determining the order of a differential equation, but there is a discussion about the effects of substitution that introduces some complexity and potential disagreement regarding the implications of such substitutions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the applicability of substitutions and the nature of the differential equation, which may not be universally applicable. The implications of reducing the order through substitution are not fully resolved.

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Hello. I can't seem to remember how to do these kind of problems. I need to determine the order of the differential equations. Can someone show how this is done so that I can understand how to do the rest?

$\d{^2y}{x^2}+2\d{y}{x} \d{^3y}{x^3}+x=0$
 
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The order of a DE is the order of the highest derivative present in the DE. What order is that?
 
Three. Got it. Thanks.
 
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ineedhelpnow said:
Hello. I can't seem to remember how to do these kind of problems. I need to determine the order of the differential equations. Can someone show how this is done so that I can understand how to do the rest?

$\d{^2y}{x^2}+2\d{y}{x} \d{^3y}{x^3}+x=0$

The DE is of third order, of course... but with the substitution $\displaystyle y^{'} = u$ it becomes...

$\displaystyle u^{\ '} + 2\ u\ u^{\ ''} + x = 0\ (1)$

... which is of order two... solving (1) however is a different and not necessarly trivial task...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
ineedhelpnow said:
Three. Got it. Thanks.

You got it! Although:

chisigma said:
The DE is of third order, of course... but with the substitution $\displaystyle y^{'} = u$ it becomes...

$\displaystyle u^{\ '} + 2\ u\ u^{\ ''} + x = 0\ (1)$

... which is of order two... solving (1) however is a different and not necessarly trivial task...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$

You see what chisigma is getting at? Essentially, you can reduce the order of the DE with a substitution. This is generally possible when the function itself, $y$, is not present in the DE.
 

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