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Determining the Mass of a Planet

  1. Oct 24, 2011 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
    Suppose that we see a planet in our Solar System that we measure to have
    an orbital period (around the Sun) of 18.0 years. We look at it with a
    telescope and see that it has a moon. From repeated observations, when
    the planet is near or at opposition, we note that the orbit of the moon is
    approximately circular, with an observed radius of about 1.2 arcminutes
    and a period of 10 days. What is the mass of this planet?

    Pplanet = 18.0 years = 567024668 seconds
    Pmoon = 10 days = 864000 seconds
    emoon = 0
    θmoon = 1.2 arcminutes



    2. Relevant equations
    P2G(M1 + M2) = (4∏2)a3

    L = mvr

    M = rv2 / G


    3. The attempt at a solution

    I simply have no idea where to begin. I want to say that,

    mplanetvplanet = mstarvstar

    But that ignores the moon and the earth's positions and what not. Also, I'd have to assume that its orbit is circular, when it doesn't say so in the question.
     
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  3. Oct 24, 2011 #2

    gneill

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    I think that it would be safe to assume that the mass of the planet is insignificant compared to that of the Sun. Similarly, the mass of the moon will be insignificant compared to that of the planet.

    Can you find the orbital radius for the planet? What then will be the Earth-planet distance when the planet is at opposition?
     
  4. Oct 24, 2011 #3

    cepheid

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    Here's a tip:

    when the period is in years, and the semi-major axis in AU, then in those units, the constant of proportionality is just 1. Therefore, Kepler's 3rd Law becomes:

    P2 = a3

    I think you have to assume that the planet's orbit around the sun is roughly circular. Solar system planets' orbits all have fairly low eccentricity, since the orbits tend to circularize over time. I mean, if you didn't assume circularity, then I don't know how you'd solve it, since saying that "the planet is at opposition" doesn't tell you anything about where it is in its orbit.

    If you do assume its circular, then at opposition, the distance between Earth and the planet is approximately equal to the difference between their orbital radii (draw a diagram).

    Given this distance, and the angular size of the orbit of the fictitious planet's moon, you can figure out the physical size of this moon's orbit. Given that, and the moon's orbital period, you can use Kepler's Third law (applied to the planet-moon system, rather than to the sun-planet system) to figure out the total mass of the system. If the moon is much less massive than the planet, than this is pretty much equal to the planet's mass.

    It could be there's a way to solve for the moon's mass and the planet's mass separately after this. I have to admit I'm not totally sure.
     
  5. Oct 24, 2011 #4
    How can we determine the size of the moon's orbit? If we use the arc length formula a = θr, wouldn't that give us the moon's radius and not it's orbit?
     
  6. Oct 24, 2011 #5

    cepheid

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    No, it would give you the radius of the moon's orbit. The 1.2 arcmin is the angular size of the orbit, not of the moon itself.
     
  7. Oct 24, 2011 #6
    Well. Next time, I think I should read the question properly.

    Thanks much :)
     
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