Deviation of wavelengths through barium crown pism

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The discussion revolves around determining the minimum angle of deviation for sodium light using Cauchy's dispersion formula, based on the refractive index of a barium crown glass prism at different wavelengths. The original poster presents data for two wavelengths and seeks to find the refractive index for a third wavelength.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of Cauchy's dispersion formula and the need to find coefficients A and B for the refractive index equation. There are attempts to derive values for A and B from given refractive indices at specified wavelengths, with some questioning the assumptions made in their calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring different methods to calculate the refractive index for sodium light. Some have provided guidance on how to set up equations to solve for A and B, while others express confusion about the results obtained, particularly regarding the reasonableness of the calculated angles of deviation.

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There is mention of homework constraints and the complexity of the problem, with some participants noting that the task feels more challenging under certain conditions, such as illness. Additionally, there is a reference to differing methods used in a lab setting that may not align with the current discussion.

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Homework Statement


The refractive index of an equilateral prism of dense barium crown glass varies with wavelength as given in the table

wavelength (nm)...n

656.3...1.635
486.1...1.646

making use of Cauchy's dispersion formula determine the minimum angle of deviation for sodium light with wavelength = 589.3 nm

Homework Equations



A/2 = theta prime

nsin(theta prime) = sin((A + deviation)/2)

(weird D)/(deviation) = (nf - nc)/(nd-1)

The Attempt at a Solution



2sin^-1((1.635)sin(30)) - 60 = deviation = 49.7 degrees

2sin^-1((1.646)sin(30)) - 60 = deviation = 50.8 degrees

weird D = 50.8 - 49.7 = 11.1 degrees


My problem is that I'm not sure how to find nd to finish the question.

i know i can use

n of wavelength = A + B/(wavelength)^2 + C/(wavelength)^4

but that doesn't leave me with an n between 1.635 and 1.646 and that is my problem
 
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You can omit the third term C/(lambda)^4. Find A and B for the two refractive index - wavelength pairs.

ehild
 
ehild said:
You can omit the third term C/(lambda)^4. Find A and B for the two refractive index - wavelength pairs.

ehild


well I'm not totally sure on this but does this look right, or am i assuming the wrong thing


1.646 = 1.635 + b/((486.3nm)^2)

b = 5.9122x10^-15

then

n = 1.635 + (5.9122x10^-15)/((589.3x10^-9)^2) = 1.652 , but that is greater than 1.646 which is probably wrong then... I really don't know how to solve for A and B. I looked up their values for barium crown glass and it still doesn't work even with those
 
Liquidxlax said:
well I'm not totally sure on this but does this look right, or am i assuming the wrong thing


1.646 = 1.635 + b/((486.3nm)^2)

b = 5.9122x10^-15

No, A is not equal to 1.635, why should it?

1.635=A + B/656.3^2

and

1.646 = A + B/486.1^2.

Two equations, two unknowns. Solve.

ehild
 
ehild said:
No, A is not equal to 1.635, why should it?

1.635=A + B/656.3^2

and

1.646 = A + B/486.1^2.

Two equations, two unknowns. Solve.

ehild
:facepalm: why didn't i think of that... homework is 3x harder when you're sick
 
Okay i did that and i got a really high number, it seems unreasonable for an angle of deviation, but my textbook examples show ratios of 1/29 1/40... i got for the deviation

643.8 degrees
 
Show what did you get for A and B.

ehild
 
n1 = A + B/lambda1^2 represent A as a function of B A = n1 - B/lambda1^2
plug this in for A in the second one

n2 = A + b/lambda2^2 then n2 = (n1 - B/lambda1^2) + B/lambda2^2

n2-n1 = B(1/lambda2^2 - 1/lambda1^2) get B = (5.758x10^-15)

Then plug B into either equation solve for A to get A = (1.6216)

Then

n3 = 1.6216 + (5.758x10^-15)/(589.3x10^-9)^2 = 1.638

then plug the rest of the numbers in and solve for deviation in

n3 = nd n1 = nc n2 = nf


(weird D)/(deviation) = (nf-nc)/(nd-1)

deviation = ((weird D)(nd -1))/(nf-nc) = 643.8
 
I do not understand what you did. The question was:

"making use of Cauchy's dispersion formula determine the minimum angle of deviation for sodium light with wavelength = 589.3 nm". You calculated the minimum deviation for the other wavelengths with the equation

2sin^-1(n sin(30)) - 60 = deviation

why do not do the same for 589.3 nm? It is about 50 degrees.

ehild
 
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i'll try that, it seems to make more sense, yet i did the lab on this today and they did it the way i initially was using. But that was a slightly different process.
 

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