Diagonalization, which eigenvector is found?

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The discussion revolves around the process of diagonalizing an NxN matrix and the nature of the eigenvectors obtained from this process. Participants explore the uniqueness of eigenvectors and how the eigenvalue problem determines which eigenvector is returned, considering the existence of infinitely many scalar multiples of each eigenvector.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the eigenvalue problem, Av = mv, selects a specific eigenvector from the infinite set of scalar multiples that correspond to the same eigenvalue.
  • Another participant suggests that common practices include normalizing the eigenvector, setting the smallest or largest entry to one, but acknowledges that these are arbitrary choices.
  • A different participant clarifies that the equation does not choose a specific eigenvector, as the solutions typically yield a form that allows for scalar multiples, and any choice of eigenvector will suffice for diagonalization.
  • One participant reflects on their reliance on computational tools like Mathematica, suggesting that it may have led to confusion about the nature of eigenvectors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the selection of eigenvectors, with some emphasizing the arbitrary nature of the choice while others seek clarity on the process. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific mechanism by which eigenvectors are "chosen" in practice.

Contextual Notes

There is an implicit assumption that the eigenvalue problem yields a set of eigenvectors that are not unique, but the discussion does not delve into the implications of this non-uniqueness or the mathematical details of the diagonalization process.

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Hi!

This might be a silly question, but I can't seem to figure it out and have not found any remarks on it in the literature.

When diagonalizing an NxN matrix A, we solve the characteristic equation:

Det(A - mI) = 0

which gives us the N eigenvalues m. Then, to find the eigenvectors v of A, we solve the eigenvalue problem

Av = mv

Now, any scalar multiple of an eigenvector of A is itself an eigenvector with the same eigenvalue. So, which eigenvector do we find when solving the eigenvalue problem? It can't be totally random, can it? Is there a way of determining which of the infinitude of eigenvectors (all with the same "direction") the algorithm chooses?
 
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Usually 3 things are done.

Normalize the vector so that [itex]\|v\| = 1[/itex]
Make the smallest entry other than zero equal to 1
Make the largest equal to one

[tex] \begin{align*}<br /> (1) \Longrightarrow v_0 &= \frac{1}{\sqrt{v^*v}}v\\<br /> (2) \Longrightarrow v_0 &= \frac{1}{\min_{v_i\neq 0}(v_i)}v\\<br /> (3) \Longrightarrow v_0 &= \frac{1}{\max(v_i)}v<br /> \end{elign*}[/tex]

It is a choice... You can come up yourself with something else anyway
 
Thanks trambolin for your answer. However, that was not really my question. I'm aware this is what one usually does when the eigenvectors are found.

My problem is this: When we solve

Av = mv (1)

for the eigenvectors v, we find a set of N eigenvectors. But these are not unique. How does equation (1) "choose" which eigenvector in the 1-d subspace spanned by an eigenvector to "return" since all of them are equally valid?
 
Equation (1) doesn't "choose" any specific eigenvector. What typically happens is that you get something like y= 2x, z= 3x- that is, all but one of the components (in the case that there is only one eigenvector corresponding to each eigenvalue) so that the eigenvector is of the form <x, 2x, 3x>= x<1, 2, 3>. You then choose a value of x.

As far as the diagonalization is concerned, it doesn't matter which you choose- using any of the eigenvectors corresponding to the eigenvalues as columns of "P" will still give you a matrix such that [itex]P^{-1}AP[/itex] is diagonal.
 
Ofcourse! It WAS a silly question. This is what happens when you stop doing things by hand and start relying too much on Mathematica to do the thinking for you.

Thanks guys!
 

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