Did Columbus and the Wright Brothers believe in historic misconceptions?

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The discussion centers on historical misconceptions regarding the belief in a flat Earth during Columbus's time, asserting that educated individuals in the 15th century were aware of the Earth's sphericity. It highlights that Columbus's miscalculations regarding the Earth's circumference led him to believe he could reach Asia by sailing west, ultimately resulting in his discovery of the Americas. The conversation also touches on the Wright Brothers and the Sound Barrier, emphasizing that technological limitations, rather than scientific ignorance, hindered progress in aviation. Participants argue about the nature of popular belief versus scientific truth, suggesting that historical understanding evolves and that ignorance is often a matter of context. The thread underscores the importance of distinguishing between scientifically supported ideas and conspiracy theories.
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Actually, there is very little in my post that is original. You seem to indicate that you couldn't figure out what my post referred to. It's about Columbus.
 
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Are you trying to belittle Columbus for what he did? He was the first one to attempt to sail across the world and ended up finding America. Just because others say that their belief that the world is round doesn't really mean much with this guy since he took action upon it. He and his crew had no idea what they would run into or what was going to happen but Columbus believed the world was round and that he could find a back passage into India and use this as a way to get to Jerusalem. He just happened across a whole new world. I'm sure if Columbus hadn't done it, as with what Magellan did, in due time someone else would have, but he did it first and until he did do it, there was no concrete evidence that the world was found...just intelligent assumptions based on rational thought.
Esperanto- I love that 9-11 comment. It just so happens that we can't talk about it anymore since those defending the govt's claim are having difficulty producing any evidence so it just goes into a "I'm right, you're wrong" discussion instead of an educational debate. Hell if anyone actually wants to do a real investigation, I'll pick one point, write up an essay disproving the official storyline and let you guys have at it trying to disprove what I say and what the govt's story is as true. The mod would have to give me the ok if you want and that's doubtful since people can't control themselves and just start flaming each other as if the person with the most or best insults somehow wins the discussion, but it is an issue at the crux of everything going on in the world today.
 
  • #33
All of my posts here that did talk about Columbus said that Columbus was used as an example that it takes time for something to become universally accepted. The only possibly factual thing I said was that ancients can see horizons too. I don't give jack if you are going to nitpick my nonexistent factual comments on Columbus.
 
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Esperanto said:
All of my posts here that did talk about Columbus said that Columbus was used as an example that it takes time for something to become universally accepted.
All I am saying is that Columbus is a poor example because he never said anything that ever became universally accepted.
 
  • #35
champ2823 said:
Are you trying to belittle Columbus for what he did? He was the first one to attempt to sail across the world and ended up finding America.
Ever hear about Leif Ericsson?

Esperanto- I love that 9-11 comment. It just so happens that we can't talk about it anymore since those defending the govt's claim
There you go with your conspiracy again, you are wrong, people here are referring to the engineering aspects of the collapse.

are having difficulty producing any evidence so it just goes into a "I'm right, you're wrong" discussion instead of an educational debate.
All the evidence needed has already been posted. If you can't understand it, or refuse to understand it, perhaps you would be happier at a site like www.abovetopsecret.com I think you'd be very happy there.

This is your final warning that for now any more discussion on a 9-11 conspiracy theory is suspended.

The next report is due in October. We'll see what comes out then.
 
  • #36
Just cause the Vikings did some exploration of their own isn't as great as Columbus, because his discovery changed the world. Lief's didn't... although he deserves credit for what he did, it still isn't as important as Columbus'. Oh and I see the whole "You are wrong" thing again... typical finger pointing...but whenever you point your finger at someone, you have 3 fingers pointing back at you. Oh yeah, abovetopsecret.com, yeah like I really care about websites that make claims and then show no documentation or concrete evidence to back them up. Give me a break. If I wanted to read something that can't support their claims and is based on lies, unproven accusations, and half-truths, I'd go read the entire 9-11 Commission Report.
 
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BTW...what do you mean by the next report is due in October and who is issuing and funding the report?
 

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