Did Montesquieu Believe Democracy Was Doomed to Fail?

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The discussion centers on Montesquieu's views regarding democracy, particularly whether he believed it was destined to fail. Participants explore the implications of his ideas and the broader context of democracy's functionality, including social dynamics and the influence of wealth on political stability.

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  • Some participants question Montesquieu's perspective on democracy, suggesting he may have had valid concerns about its viability based on social dynamics observed in his time.
  • One participant argues that democracy could degenerate into conflict between followers of influential leaders, emphasizing the need for individual wealth to foster political independence and stability.
  • Another participant raises questions about the definition of "works" in the context of democracy, suggesting that the Anglo-American model may not serve the interests of all and may prioritize short-term economic growth over other values.
  • A request for clarification on Montesquieu's views on laws indicates a desire for deeper understanding of his philosophical framework.

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Participants express differing interpretations of Montesquieu's views and the effectiveness of democracy, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a clear consensus.

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The discussion reflects varying assumptions about the nature of democracy and its relationship with social and economic factors, with some participants highlighting the ambiguity in defining what constitutes a successful democratic system.

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did montesquieu have a point when he said that democracy won't work or was he completely ignorant??
 
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I don't know Montesquieu's particular objection to democracy , but a quite rational objection from several earlier thinkers is based upon the social dynamics the perceived in their own time:
A "great man" gets a lot of "followers", who being for example materially destitute, swears loyalty to that great man in hope of getting some material awards.
That is, they are "dependants", rather than "free men".
The democracy would then degenerate into a (typically violent) clash between adherents of different "great men".
The great men themselves would certainly regard their leading role as their birth-right, and would be offended at the thought that "mere followers" should have some right to rule.

The upshot of this, is that it is very difficult to get an aristocratic/clannish society democratized; what is needed is first and foremost an increase in a sufficient number of individiuals' personal WEALTH, i.e, securing them a relative "independence". Only then can we expect a democracy to become stable over time.

The really unanswerable here, is of course, what is a "sufficient number"?
 
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did montesquieu have a point when he said that democracy won't work or was he completely ignorant??
I also don't know Montesquieu but - what do you mean by 'works'? Works for whom? And which system of democracy? It's just an opinion but if you mean the Anglo-American industrio-scientific version then I'd say it doesn't work at all except for those who have no interest in anything at all except short-term economic growth. This is perhaps why democracy is so strongly encouraged world-wide,(or, rather, rammed down people's throats). It opens up markets, homogenises them, and removes any cultural, religious or ethical barriers to trade, thus promoting the economies and cutural exports of those who are doing the encouraging.

Oh dear, ranting again.
 
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Can someone explain to me Montesquieu's view of laws?

I'm having trouble understanding his views and finding reliable resources
 

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