Differential equation x^2*y'=y^2

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation \( x^2 \frac{dy}{dx} = y^2 \). Participants explore methods for solving this equation, focusing on the separable form and the implications of the solution being defined for all \( x \). The conversation includes attempts at integration and verification of solutions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in solving the differential equation and attempts a separable solution, leading to an incorrect form of the solution.
  • Another participant challenges the correctness of the derived solution, emphasizing the need for accurate manipulation of the equation.
  • A later reply provides a corrected solution, detailing the steps to isolate \( y \) and noting that for \( y \) to be defined for all \( x \), a specific condition on the constant \( C \) must hold.
  • It is noted that the implicit solution derived is valid and satisfies the original differential equation for any value of \( C \).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial solution proposed by the first participant, as it is challenged and corrected by others. The discussion reflects differing views on the manipulation of the equation and the implications of the constant \( C \).

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the conditions under which the solution is defined, particularly regarding the constant \( C \) and its impact on the solution's validity across all \( x \).

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in differential equations, particularly those learning about separable equations and the implications of solution conditions.

Mr. Fest
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Hello,

I have trouble solving the following differential equation.

I am trying to learn how to solve that form of DEs.

The DE is:

x2*dy/dx = y2

There are no initial-value problem, but the solution should be given such that y is defined for all x.

The most important for me is to learn how to solve this type of DE.

I tried solving it using the separable equation way.

x2*dy/dx = y2 --> dy/y2 = dx/x2 and then integrate both sides to get -1/y = -1/x + C --> -y = -x + 1/C --> y = x - 1/C but apparently this doesn't solve the equation...

Hope you guys can help me.

Thanks in advance.


Mr. Fest
 
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How do you solve the equation ##-1/y=-1/x+C## for ##y##? The answer is NOT ##-y=-x+1/C## !
 
hilbert2 said:
How do you solve the equation ##-1/y=-1/x+C## for ##y##? The answer is NOT ##-y=-x+1/C## !

Hi,

You are right. The time was around 2am over here when I wrote that. My brain must have been fried after 10 hours of math work.

The answer is ofc:

-1/y = -1/x + C --> -1 = y(-1/x + C) --> -1/(-1/x + C) = y --> -1/((-1+Cx)/x) --> -x/(-1 + Cx) = y

And, the specific solution, that, y is defined for all real x gives us that C = 0, for if not, then for some x giving Cx = 1, y would not be defined.

So, one could say that the initial-value problem is that y must be defined for all real x giving rise to C = 0 and ultimately y = -x/-1 --> y = x

This satisfies: x^2*dy/dx = y^2 as this means that x^2*1 = x^2 and also, y is defined for all real x.

If there is anything wrong with my answer, please correct me.
 
Your implicit solution is correct, i.e., we indeed have
[tex]\frac{1}{y}=\frac{1}{x}-C=\frac{1-C x}{x}.[/tex]
This gives
[tex]y(x)=\frac{x}{1-C x}.[/tex]
Now it's easy to check that this indeed satisfies the given differential equation for any value of [itex]C[/itex].
 

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