Dimensionless Numbers in Heat Transfer

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The discussion revolves around the use of dimensionless quantities in heat transfer, specifically focusing on their significance and applications. Participants inquire about various dimensionless numbers such as the Nusselt number, Prandtl number, Stanton number, Sherwood number, Schmidt number, Peclet number, and Gratez number, exploring their physical meanings and practical uses in engineering contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the purpose of using dimensionless quantities, suggesting that they are scale invariant and independent of physical dimensions.
  • One participant mentions that dimensionless numbers are useful for comparing and standardizing situations, particularly in modeling fluid flow in various applications.
  • The Stanton number is highlighted as significant in heat and mass transfer calculations, particularly in chemical engineering contexts.
  • There is a discussion about the definition of the Stanton number, with some participants providing differing interpretations and references for clarification.
  • Participants note that dimensionless numbers like the Reynolds number can help model fluid dynamics without needing full-scale models.

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Participants express varying interpretations of the Stanton number and its relationship to the Prandtl number, indicating a lack of consensus on its definition. There is also some disagreement regarding the practical applications and significance of different dimensionless numbers.

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Some claims regarding the definitions and applications of dimensionless numbers depend on specific contexts and may not be universally accepted. The discussion includes references to standard texts, suggesting that definitions may vary based on different sources.

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Firstly, my question is - why do we use dimensionless quantities?
Next question, I would like to know the physical significance of Nusselt number, Prandtl Number, Sherwood Number, Scmidt Number, Peclet Number and Gratez Number!
Thanks in advance!
 
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I hope this question can be answered! Thanks in advance!
 
1) Why do we use dimensionless quantities?

Well here is a simple example : pi is a dimensionless quantity (can you see why?) that is the same for all circles.

So it is scale invariant or independent of size.

Dimensionless quantities are all independent of some physical quantity.

For your list have you tried Google?

A while back I posted this list here in a discussion about the difference between constants and dimensionless quantities.
Perhaps some will be here.

https://www.physicsforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28382&d=1284989819

go well
 
Thanks! :)
 
I should perhaps add that pi is a very very simple dimensionless number that is also a constant ie it does not vary.

Dimensionless numbers that vary are used to compare and standardise situations. This is useful in making physical scale models. One of the most common dimensionless numbers is Reynolds Number which is the ration of inertial to viscous forces acting on a body in a fluid. It has a range from a few units to hundreds of thousands. By taking suitable model dimensions and the test fluid viscoscity to make the Reynolds Number the same, we can model the fluid flow in large river channels or in wind tunnels over aircraft bodies without creating full scale models.
 
exactly! But, Can you specially mention some practical point of stanton number? and where can it be used? some idea would be welcome!
 
The Stanton Number (the reciprocal of the Prandtl No) is used by Chemical Engineers in heat and mass transfer calculations in chemical plant process theory. It is one of many such dimensionless numbers and appears in the dimensionless equation for energy transfer in forced convection.

Are you aware that this type of calculation is normally carried out by rewriting standard energy and mass balance equations in terms of dimensionless variables?

For more detail I recommend consulting

p338 - 339 of 'Transport Phenomenon' by messers Bird, Stewart and Lightfoot.

p310 - 313 of 'Introduction to Heat Transfer' by messers Incropera and DeWitt
 
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Studiot said:
The Stanton Number (the reciprocal of the Prandtl No)

Not qute. St = Nu / (Re Pr).
 
Not qute. St = Nu / (Re Pr).

I think that depends upon your authority.

That is also why I gave two references. The second reference has a detailed description of your definition also calling it "a modified Nusselt No".

Either way it is about comparing the thermal to diffusive driving force for heat transfer in a fluid.

We use reciprocal numbers in this case because the Prandtl No is often near unity.
 
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