Discovering the Strong Force: The History of its Discovery

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The discussion centers on the historical development of nuclear physics, beginning with the discovery of radioactivity and the identification of alpha and gamma rays. Key advancements included the confirmation that alpha rays are helium nuclei and the proposal of neutrons by Chadwick, which led to significant insights into nuclear forces. The conversation critiques Quantum Electrodynamics (QED), arguing that it lacks a solid experimental foundation and fails to explain various phenomena related to electromagnetic forces and particle interactions. Participants emphasize that many nuclear theories are based on practical observations, contrasting them with the abstract nature of QED. Overall, the dialogue highlights the importance of empirical evidence in the evolution of scientific theories.
  • #31
baffledMatt said:
Wow, (http://members.lycos.co.uk/nigelbryancook/) makes such an interesting read. I especially like the bit where they prove the origin of the fine structure constant by plugging Heisenberg's uncertainty relation into Newton's second law.

Genius!

Matt

the page does not say what you claim, no wonder you are "baffled matt". learn to read before you learn physics! the historical origin of the fine structure constant is actually Sommerfeld's atomic physics. the proof using Heisenberg comes later, and shows that the quantum electrodynamic exchange is wrong since it overestimates the QED force for electromagnetism by a factor of 137. this factor has to be canceled out by dividing the result by 137 which feynman admits in "QED" is is the biggest damn mystery. anyhow, can the moderator keep this to science and get rid of sneering abuse and deception from this "baffled mat" character, please.
 
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  • #32
baffledMatt said:
Wow, (http://members.lycos.co.uk/nigelbryancook/) makes such an interesting read. I especially like the bit where they prove the origin of the fine structure constant by plugging Heisenberg's uncertainty relation into Newton's second law.

Genius!

Matt

the page does not say what you claim, no wonder you are "baffled matt". learn to read before you learn physics! the historical origin of the fine structure constant is actually Sommerfeld's atomic physics. the proof using Heisenberg comes later, and shows that the quantum electrodynamic exchange is wrong since it overestimates the QED force for electromagnetism by a factor of 137. this factor has to be canceled out by dividing the result by 137 which feynman admits in "QED" is is the biggest damn mystery. anyhow, can the moderator keep this to science and get rid of sneering deception from this "baffled mat" character, please.
 
  • #33
I do not refer to a "continuous spectrum". There is no spectrum associated with electron spin, or with electron orbit for that matter. The energy is emitted continuously and received continuously. It amounts to the same thing as saying there is an ether, since the momentum delivered invisibly where there is "cancelled" charge produces inertia, etc., like being immersed in a perfectly frictionless fluid. Energy is emitted along the electric field lines, delivering momentum and causing forces along those lines.
I admit that this theory sounds interesting. How would you explain quantum effects. Of couurse an ether would go a long way towards explaining how electromagnetic waves propagate , no convincing explanations seem to exist in the present etherless physics to explain this phenomenon.
 

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