Discovering the Strong Force: The History of its Discovery

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The discussion centers on the historical discovery of the strong nuclear force, beginning with the identification of radioactivity and the subsequent understanding of neutrons as neutral particles that facilitate nuclear reactions. Key figures include Chadwick, who proposed the existence of neutrons, and Yukawa, who theorized the exchange of pions between nucleons as the mechanism behind the strong force. The conversation critiques Quantum Electrodynamics (QED) for its theoretical inconsistencies and lack of empirical support, contrasting it with the practical observations that led to nuclear physics advancements. The strong force is established as significantly more powerful than electromagnetic forces, with implications for particle interactions and nuclear stability.

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  • Understanding of nuclear physics concepts, including radioactivity and nuclear reactions.
  • Familiarity with particle physics terminology, such as neutrons, protons, and pions.
  • Knowledge of Quantum Electrodynamics (QED) and its principles.
  • Basic grasp of experimental methods in physics, particularly in the context of particle interactions.
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  • Research the role of pions in mediating the strong nuclear force.
  • Study the implications of neutron interactions in nuclear decay processes.
  • Explore the experimental validation of Yukawa's hypothesis regarding particle exchange.
  • Investigate the limitations of Quantum Electrodynamics and alternative theories like New Field Theory.
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Physicists, students of nuclear and particle physics, and anyone interested in the historical development of theories related to atomic structure and fundamental forces.

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baffledMatt said:
Wow, (http://members.lycos.co.uk/nigelbryancook/) makes such an interesting read. I especially like the bit where they prove the origin of the fine structure constant by plugging Heisenberg's uncertainty relation into Newton's second law.

Genius!

Matt

the page does not say what you claim, no wonder you are "baffled matt". learn to read before you learn physics! the historical origin of the fine structure constant is actually Sommerfeld's atomic physics. the proof using Heisenberg comes later, and shows that the quantum electrodynamic exchange is wrong since it overestimates the QED force for electromagnetism by a factor of 137. this factor has to be canceled out by dividing the result by 137 which feynman admits in "QED" is is the biggest damn mystery. anyhow, can the moderator keep this to science and get rid of sneering abuse and deception from this "baffled mat" character, please.
 
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  • #32
baffledMatt said:
Wow, (http://members.lycos.co.uk/nigelbryancook/) makes such an interesting read. I especially like the bit where they prove the origin of the fine structure constant by plugging Heisenberg's uncertainty relation into Newton's second law.

Genius!

Matt

the page does not say what you claim, no wonder you are "baffled matt". learn to read before you learn physics! the historical origin of the fine structure constant is actually Sommerfeld's atomic physics. the proof using Heisenberg comes later, and shows that the quantum electrodynamic exchange is wrong since it overestimates the QED force for electromagnetism by a factor of 137. this factor has to be canceled out by dividing the result by 137 which feynman admits in "QED" is is the biggest damn mystery. anyhow, can the moderator keep this to science and get rid of sneering deception from this "baffled mat" character, please.
 
  • #33
I do not refer to a "continuous spectrum". There is no spectrum associated with electron spin, or with electron orbit for that matter. The energy is emitted continuously and received continuously. It amounts to the same thing as saying there is an ether, since the momentum delivered invisibly where there is "cancelled" charge produces inertia, etc., like being immersed in a perfectly frictionless fluid. Energy is emitted along the electric field lines, delivering momentum and causing forces along those lines.
I admit that this theory sounds interesting. How would you explain quantum effects. Of couurse an ether would go a long way towards explaining how electromagnetic waves propagate , no convincing explanations seem to exist in the present etherless physics to explain this phenomenon.
 

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