Discrete topology, product topology

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The discussion revolves around the properties of certain subsets of the product space \(\prod_{n \in \omega} X_n\) where \(X_n = \{0, 1\}\) with the discrete topology. Participants analyze whether specific sets defined by conditions on functions \(f\) are open, closed, neither, or both in the context of product topology.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the set in (a), defined by fixing the 10th coordinate to 0, is open since all other coordinates can vary freely.
  • Another participant explains that the set in (b) is open by showing that for any function \(f\) in the set, there exists an open neighborhood contained within it.
  • One participant notes that the complement of the set in (a) is open, thus concluding that the set is also closed.
  • For set (c), a participant argues that it is closed by demonstrating that if a function is not in the set, an open neighborhood can be constructed that contains no points from the set.
  • Participants express uncertainty regarding how to approach parts (d) and (e), indicating that they have not yet reached conclusions on those subsets.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is some agreement on the openness of sets (a) and (b) and the closed nature of set (c). However, parts (d) and (e) remain unresolved, with participants expressing uncertainty about their properties.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the nature of open sets in the infinite product topology, emphasizing the requirement that all but finitely many coordinates must be the whole space. The discussion also touches on the complexity of determining closed sets by examining their complements.

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For each n \in \omega, let X_n be the set \{0, 1\}, and let \tau_n be the discrete topology on X_n. For each of the following subsets of \prod_{n \in \omega} X_n, say whether it is open or closed (or neither or both) in the product topology.

(a) \{f \in \prod_{n \in \omega} X_n | f(10) = 0 \}
(b) \{f \in \prod_{n \in \omega} X_n | \text{ }\exists n \in \omega \text{ }f(n) = 0 \}
(c) \{f \in \prod_{n \in \omega} X_n | \text{ }\forall n \in \omega \text{ }f(n) = 0 \Rightarrow f(n + 1) = 1 \}
(d) \{f \in \prod_{n \in \omega} X_n | \text{ }|\{ n \in \omega | f(n) = 0 \}| = 5 \}
(e)\{f \in \prod_{n \in \omega} X_n | \text{ }|\{ n \in \omega | f(n) = 0 \}|\leq5 \}
 
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Recall that \omega = \mathbb{N} \cup \{0\}
 
And what are your thoughts on the problem?
 
Here is what I know:

So remember that open sets in the infinite product topology is really just having all but finitely many the whole space and the rest are open. Since the individual factors are discrete, you only need to check that all but finitely many are the whole space.

e.g. in (a) the 10th coordinate has a specific value, but all other coordinates can be whatever, so this is certain open.f is a function. Here \omega = \mathbb{N} \cup \{ 0 \} (the reason for using \omega is because he is using it to refer to the natural as an ordinal, but whatever that is not important). If it helps you can think of \prod_{n\in \omega} X_n as \prod_{n=0}^{\infty} X_n. We define \prod_{n=0}^{\infty}X_n to be the set of all functions f: \mathbb{N} \to \{ 0 , 1\} that satisfies f(n) \in \{ 0 , 1\}.

This is as far as I've gotten.
 
There's a nice graphical representation of the product topology on Y^X (i.e. the product of the space Y |X| times). Namely, if we draw X as an "x-axis" and Y as a "y-axis", then elements in X^Y are "graphs of functions" in the X-Y "plane". An open nbhd of an element f is the set of all functions g whose graphs are close to the graph of f at finitely points. We get different nbhds by varying the closeness to f and/or the set of finite points.

In our case the product space is 2^w=2^N, whose "plane" looks like two copies of the naturals N. In other words, if you were to imagine this as a 'subset' of R^2, it's just the set \{(n,i) \colon n \in \bN, i \in \{0,1\}\}.

Maybe this will help you.
 
Progress:

Take set (b). Let B = \{f \in \prod_{n \in \omega} X_n | \;\exists n \in \omega \; f(n) = 0 \}. If f\in B then there exists m such that f(m)=0. Then the set \{g \in \prod_{n \in \omega} X_n |\; g(m) = 0\} is an open neighbourhood of f contained in B. Therefore B is open.

It's usually more difficult to check when a set is closed. You have to look at its complement and decide whether that is open. Sometimes this is straightforward. For example, the complement of set (a) is the set of all f such that f(10)=1. That is open, so set (a) is closed as well as open.

For a slightly less easy example, look at set (c). Let C = \{f \in \prod_{n \in \omega} X_n | \text{ }\forall n \in \omega \text{ }f(n) = 0 \Rightarrow f(n + 1) = 1 \}. If f\notin C then there exists m such that f(m)=f(m+1)=0. Then \{g \in \prod_{n \in \omega} X_n |\; g(m) = g(m + 1) = 0\} is an open neighbourhood of f containing no points of C. Therefore the complement of C is open and so C is closed.

I still do not know how to do parts (d.) and (e.)
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