Disney World PF Gathering and Tips for Disney Mania!

[ZapperZ]

Hey Zapper, did you ever go into Innoventions at Disneyland in CA during the years 2001-2002? If so, you may have seen me. I was a performer there. I worked the Disneyanna convention both years, too, as a talker (the person that talks to you while you wait for the goods you put a successful bid on). I don't know if you're enough of a fanatic to have been to one of those.

Whoa! A real-life Disney Cast Member!

<bows> I'm not worthy! I'm not worthy!

:)

No. This may be surprising to everyone, but I've never been to the one in California at all. But I certainly intend to some time this next couple of years.

I've read and seen pictures of the Disneyana convention (I think one was just held right before the 50th Disneyland Birthday). I'm just a stinky amateur compare to those freaks... er... collectors. :) I don't think there's one being held at Disney World, at least I've never heard of one being held there regularly.

Do you still work there? I'm guessing not. How much of your experience working for Disney can you talk about? I have 2 friends who are still Disney cast members at Disney World (one working at the Animal Kingdom Lodge handling customer reservations, the other is suffering through the heat at the Disney Pin Central at Epcot). So I have a bit of an idea of the behind-the-scene training and Traditions classes one has to go through. And since you have a speaking part, does that mean you are also part of an actors equity?

So many questions, so little time... :)

Zz.

 

[loseyourname]

I've read and seen pictures of the Disneyana convention (I think one was just held right before the 50th Disneyland Birthday). I'm just a stinky amateur compare to those freaks... er... collectors. :) I don't think there's one being held at Disney World, at least I've never heard of one being held there regularly.

They hold a convention every year at the Disneyland Hotel in Anaheim. I remember one year I worked it a couple bid $10,000 for the doors to Fantasy Land. They said they were going to use them to enter their Disney paraphernelia room.

You wouldn't believe the freaks there.

Do you still work there? I'm guessing not.

It's been a couple years.

How much of your experience working for Disney can you talk about? I have 2 friends who are still Disney cast members at Disney World (one working at the Animal Kingdom Lodge handling customer reservations, the other is suffering through the heat at the Disney Pin Central at Epcot). So I have a bit of an idea of the behind-the-scene training and Traditions classes one has to go through. And since you have a speaking part, does that mean you are also part of an actors equity?

Oh, I can talk about any of it. I'm not in possession of any company secrets. I can tell you that the cast at Innoventions goes through a good deal more of that training than most cast members, though. In addition to Disney University and the whole history training, we also have to undergo an additional week of early-morning training on Innoventions standards, which are even higher than the rest of the park's, due to our being partially financed by outside companies (jeez, I still say "our").

I don't know what you mean by an actor's equity, but I was part of the entertainers section of the Teamsters Local that represents all of the cast, and we did make significantly more than costumed characters and non-entertainment cast.

 

[ZapperZ]

I don't know what you mean by an actor's equity, but I was part of the entertainers section of the Teamsters Local that represents all of the cast, and we did make significantly more than costumed characters and non-entertainment cast.

I took the "Keys to the Magic Kingdom" tour last time I was at the Magic Kingdom. It was sort of a backstage tour and we get to ask all kinds of questions to our tour guide. She indicated that if one has a speaking part in any of the shows, one can actually become part of an actors equity since one is doing a live "stage" show. If that's the case, then one is actually on a contractual basis with Disney, even though one is earning a bit more than regular cast members.

So, got any pictures? :)

Zz.

 

[loseyourname]

I took the "Keys to the Magic Kingdom" tour last time I was at the Magic Kingdom. It was sort of a backstage tour and we get to ask all kinds of questions to our tour guide. She indicated that if one has a speaking part in any of the shows, one can actually become part of an actors equity since one is doing a live "stage" show. If that's the case, then one is actually on a contractual basis with Disney, even though one is earning a bit more than regular cast members.

What kind of a contractual basis did she mean? All of the cast have contracts. They don't specify length of employment, if that's what you mean. If we could have gotten that, that's news to me.

So, got any pictures? :)

Nothing from backstage, sorry. I'm not much of a picture taker at my workplaces. I've got plenty of my vacations, but none of those were at a Disney theme park.

 

[ZapperZ]

What kind of a contractual basis did she mean? All of the cast have contracts. They don't specify length of employment, if that's what you mean. If we could have gotten that, that's news to me.

I think her contract when she was a performer was renewed each year, and from what I understand, that is different than other cast members.

Nothing from backstage, sorry. I'm not much of a picture taker at my workplaces. I've got plenty of my vacations, but none of those were at a Disney theme park.

Oh, I can understand the no backstage picture part. When I went on the Keys... tour, we had to leave our cameras behind in a locker.

Zz.

 

[loseyourname]

I think her contract when she was a performer was renewed each year, and from what I understand, that is different than other cast members.

Well, we were evaluated and re-auditioned every year. Really, I'm not sure what she's talking about, though.

Oh, I can understand the no backstage picture part. When I went on the Keys... tour, we had to leave our cameras behind in a locker.

Zz.

Well, it never even occurred to me to bring a camera to work in the first place. Don't get me wrong; I'm not trying to play down Disneyland. I still love the place even though I know it inside and out. But we worked in a building and almost never even got to go outside (although it was quite fun the times I was outside and the Fab Four were playing at Club Buzz - those were the days). Plus, the backstage area near us was mostly custodial supply sheds, nothing all that exciting.

 

[ZapperZ]

It appears that one of the ugliest episodes in the Disney corporate history is over.

http://www.forbes.com/facesinthenews/2005/08/09/disney-eisner-ovitz-cx_pk_0809autofacescan13.html

Zz.

 

[ZapperZ]

Who'd knew that the Mouse has Desperate Housewives to be thankful to...

http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/09/news/fortune500/disney_3Q/index.htm?cnn=yes

Zz.

 

[ZapperZ]

A large collection of initial pictures from the about-to-open Hong Kong Disneyland.

http://www.laughingplace.com/Lotion-View-112.asp

The South China Morning Post have reported that the new MTR Disneyland Resort Line is taking over 10,000 people per day to the main gates at Hong Kong Disneyland to experience the new Mickey-themed trains, the new Disneyland station and to visit the esplanade in front of the park. This peaked at 22,000 on Sunday alone

Zz.

 

[ZapperZ]

Pal Mickey

OK, so picture this one. A cuddly looking Mickey about... oh, 10 inches tall. It has a belt clip on its back, so you can clip him either to your belt, belt loop, or even on a lanyard that hangs around your neck. He doesn't weigh that much. Sounds fun, no?

But wait, there's more!

He actually has a switch on his back! You turn him on before you walk through the turnstile in a Disney World theme park. And then, watch out! It turns out that his NOSE is an IR receptor! As you walk around the park he will vibrate when he wants to say something. That's right, he talks! To hear what he wants to say, you either press his hand, or his tummy. But what does he say? He says a number of things:

(i) if you are passing by an attraction, he will tell you what that attraction is. For example, if you're in line to get onto the Tower of Terror, he will tell you to put him securely in a bag because he's afraid of heights and the dark.

(ii) he will tell you if there's a parade coming up soon. For example, half an hour before the start of Illuminations at Epcot, he will remind you that it is a good time to start looking for a place to view it. He even will recommend a good spot if you happen to be walking past certain areas.

(iii) he will tell you if there's a special even that either is about to go on, or if it is going on, such as character greetings. He'll say something like "I hear my sweetheart Minnie likes to hang around here".

(iv) he will, at random, tell you silly jokes. (How do you stop a rhino from charging? Why, take away his credit card!)

Disney world theme parks have many IR transmitters that triggers Pal Mickey to convey a huge number of info. It downloads new instructions (supposedly) when it passes through the turnstile at each park - that's why you have to have it on. Or you just bring it to the store where it is sold and they'll download it to your Pal Mickey.

Of course, away from the theme park (like when you go back to the mundane reality of life), he's not going to vibrate and tells you what is the best seat in the house to view your 56" plasma screen HDTV. However, you can still turn him on and press his hand. He will continue telling you the silly jokes - and he has a huge collection of them too so it will be a while till you hear the same one again (he randomizes them).

Do I have a Pal Mickey? You bet your Mickey Ears hat I do! It started almost 2 years ago, and it has become quite a hit, especially with kids (and we all know, what's a hit with the kids, would be a hit with ZapperZ). I bring my Pal Mickey back to Disney World each time I go back so that it can call into the Mother Ship and download all the latest stuff.

Now if only he can tell me where I put my car keys...

Zz.

http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/wdw/special/specialindex?id=PalMickeyPage

 

[ZapperZ]

More news on Expedition Everest. WDWMagic.com is reporting that testing has even begun on this highly anticipated attraction. The latest pictures snapped by people visiting the Animal Kingdom shows a rollercoaster car being pulled through for clearence tests.

http://www.wdwmagic.com/beastly.htm

I wish they would announce when this will open for preview by cast members and passholders (like they did for Mission Space), so that I can plan my vacation next year already!

:)

Zz.

 

[ZapperZ]

Ooooh.. this is a good one.

Take an interactive tour of Walt Disney's apartment at Disneyland! [Requires Flash6 player]

http://www.ocregister.com/multimedia/disneyapartment/

Zz.

 

[ZapperZ]

A good issue of Disney Insider this week contains Walt Disney's take on the Pirates of the Caribbean attraction.

http://disney.go.com/inside/issues/stories/v050809.html

Zz [23 more days and counting]

 

[ZapperZ]

Disney PhotoPass

Like the FastPass system, this is another one of Disney's invention.

When you walk around the Disney theme parks, especially when you just entered the park, there are many Disney photographers eager to take your pictures at the most spectacular sights and locations. This is usually a good idea to get everyone in the group in the picture, rather than have one person always missing who has to take the picture.

Now having a picture taken by a Disney photographer does not obligate one to purchase it. After your picture is taken, what used to happen is that the photograher will hand you a receipt or number. You can then go to the photo center after an hour or so to look at the picture and, if you wish, purchase it. What is special about these pictures is that they can sometime add stuff to it, such as having the theme park's logo on it, have a character such as Tinkerbell spreading sparkling stuff as the border of your picture, etc.

Now, this whole process is made even simpler and a lot of fun. When you take your first picture with a Disney photographer, he or she will give you a PhotoPass card, very much like a credit card. The info of your picture is recorded on that card. If you decide to take more pictures with other Disney photographers, either at that same theme park or at other Disney theme parks, you only need to give the photographer that one PhotPass card. All of your picture info are recorded on that picture card.

What this means is that if you wish to either view or purchase all or any of the pictures that have been taken, all you need to do is visit one of their photography places anywhere within the Walt Disney World resort complex. They can display all of the pictures that have been taken, discuss with you any special enhancement that you want, etc. This is very convenient. You can take as many pictures with the Disney photographers as you want, and then maybe at the end of your trip, decide which ones you want to keep as momento.

But it gets even better!

The pictures you took are available, ON LINE, for 30 days from the date the pictures were taken. So even after you leave the park, you can go online and view the pictures as part of your picture album. You can even delete, add the enhancement available to that picture, and even order the pictures. You can even send e-mail invitations to other people to view your album (while the pictures are still available). So if you are still there and still taking more pictures, people can go online and see the latest addition to your Disney PhotoPass album. Even they can order the pictures they like, so family members, grandparents, etc. can have copies of the kids having way too much fun at Disney World.

http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/wdw/special/specialindex?id=DisneyPhotoPassPage

Zz.

 

[ZapperZ]

Hey Zapper, did you know that Disney once sponsored an internet site that claimed that ET has landed? They were in fact teaching kids that ET is here! I kept looking and thinking this must be some kind of joke or mistake, but it seemed to be on the level. It was a site for kids, I think called Disney for Kids, or something like that. I sent a link to a business associate who at the time ran the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry, and suggested that they need to follow Disney's lead if they want to keep up.

Oh no... I just read something that may resurrect this UFO thingy!

Laughing Place is reporting a rumor that an interactive play area being built at Hong Kong Disneyland will be tentatively called UFO Zone! It will feature crash-landing shuttles, water sprouts, etc. It is scheduled for opening some time in 2006.

And I thought Stitch was bad enough!

:)

Zz.

 

[ZapperZ]

While we are all caught up with Disneyland's 50'th Anniversary (we? What do you mean by we?), it turns out someone else is going to celebrate a 75th Anniversary soon!

Pluto, the faithful Mickey's dog, will turn 75 this September. A pin will be released on Sept. 5th to mark this day - and for a change, I will already be at WDW when this occurs! So who wants Pluto 75th anniversary pins??! :)

Zz.

 

[ZapperZ]

Those nasty people at Disney are trying to start a new addiction...

We all know how big baseball card collecting is, and that this has expanded into other areas too (animation character cards, etc). So why not disney characters? But would they do this without doing something special? Nooooooo! They are doing character cards that include surprise pins included with each card!

http://eventservices.disney.go.com/pintrading/pin?id=10721

This is like an addiction double-coupon! They're trying to entice those of us poor slobs who already can't resist the pins into another coma-inducing card collecting addiction!

Must resist the temptation... must resist the temptation...

Zz.

Today is the release date of the Disney pin card collection. I'm afraid my will power is slowly melting away. I just know that I'll grab the whole set when I go there in 22 days. I'm just so weak! <sobbing>

On another cheerful note, today is also the release date of a lovely open-edition pin. It depicts a golden castle to celebrate 50 years of Disney theme parks. Since this is an open edition pin, it should still be available for quite some time.

Zz.

 

[Smurf]

"Happiest celebration on earth"!? well.. SOMEONE needs to get out more.

 

[ZapperZ]

Disney's Trash Is Man's Treasure

This is another proof that there are a lot of "nutty" Disney fanatics out there who would buy anything. This is also the kind of site that would be VERY dangerous for me to visit.

:)

http://www.wesh.com/travelgetaways/4840153/detail.html

[Thanks to jcraycraft at wdwmagic for the link]

Zz.

 

[ZapperZ]

The Hong Kong Disneyland just simply cannot get a break at all, even when it isn't their fault. After all the bad publicity and problems they're having, now comes this..

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/stdn/std/Metro/GH11Ak01.html

Zz.

 

[ZapperZ]

Happy 50th Birthday, Kermit The Frog!

http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|96873|1|,00.html

Is everyone like having milestone birthdays all of the sudden, it seems? And what does Kermit have anything to do with Disney? Why, the muppets have a licensing agreement with Disney ever since Jim Henson brought the muppets to Disney/MGM Studios with The Muppets 3D attraction.

I have two of Kermit pins with "50" on them. I'll dig them out when I have the energy...

Zz.

 

[ZapperZ]

Oh my gosh! This jumbo pin is unbelievable!

http://eventservices.disney.go.com/pintrading/pin?id=10026

And nope, I won't be able to get it.

Zz.

 

[Moonbear]

Happy 50th Birthday, Kermit The Frog!

http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|96873|1|,00.html

Is everyone like having milestone birthdays all of the sudden, it seems? And what does Kermit have anything to do with Disney? Why, the muppets have a licensing agreement with Disney ever since Jim Henson brought the muppets to Disney/MGM Studios with The Muppets 3D attraction.

I have two of Kermit pins with "50" on them. I'll dig them out when I have the energy...

Zz.

Kermie! Do they have a Miss Piggy pin? It may be no surprise that she was my favorite muppet when I was a kid...I always liked the way she karate chopped Kermie!

 

[ZapperZ]

Kermie! Do they have a Miss Piggy pin? It may be no surprise that she was my favorite muppet when I was a kid...I always liked the way she karate chopped Kermie!

Hum... I think I have seen one. But now that I know you like the Piggy, I'll keep an eye out for it. I've never collected the muppet's pins before other than those two Kermit pins that I got for the special celebration.

Zz.

 

[Evo]

Oh my gosh! This jumbo pin is unbelievable!

http://eventservices.disney.go.com/pintrading/pin?id=10026

And nope, I won't be able to get it.

Zz.

Nice pin, but they are showing favoritism to people that live in the area or don't have to work for a living or have unlimited wealth for flying back and forth to the park. I think I will sue Disney for the incredible amount of stress this unfair practice is causing me.

 

[ZapperZ]

Nice pin, but they are showing favoritism to people that live in the area or don't have to work for a living or have unlimited wealth for flying back and forth to the park. I think I will sue Disney for the incredible amount of stress this unfair practice is causing me.

Hey, you think you're stressed by this. What about me, the one with the addiction?

I'll join you in the suit.

[Hum... that didn't come out right]

I'll join you in suing Disney.

:)

Zz.

 

[Evo]

Hey, you think you're stressed by this. What about me, the one with the addiction?

I'll join you in the suit.

[Hum... that didn't come out right]

I'll join you in suing Disney.

:)

Zz.

If you join me in the suit we can sue them together.

 

[Moonbear]

If you join me in the suit we can sue them together.

Good thing those SuperMentor uniforms are made of stretchy spandex!

 

[ZapperZ]

Good thing those SuperMentor uniforms are made of stretchy spandex!

I'm trying to see if Greg will let me change the PF logo on the front with Mickey Ears.

:)

Zz.

 

[Moonbear]

I'm trying to see if Greg will let me change the PF logo on the front with Mickey Ears.

:)

Zz.

Well, the other SuperMentors didn't want it on their uniforms, but they agreed you could customize yours. Here are the PF SuperMentor uniform designs.

I think we might still need to talk to Greg about the blue and green clashing.

 

[Evo]

I love the new uniform Moonbear! Greg may decide to change the forum colors next time he upgrades, you never know what the future may bring.

 

[ZapperZ]

Well, the other SuperMentors didn't want it on their uniforms, but they agreed you could customize yours. Here are the PF SuperMentor uniform designs.

I think we might still need to talk to Greg about the blue and green clashing.

Oooh... I might actually WEAR something like that, even to work and Disney World!

Now about being able to fit in a suit with Evo...

:)

Zz.

 

[ZapperZ]

Wow! This is another terrific pin that is going to be released on Monday.

http://eventservices.disney.go.com/pintrading/pin?id=10777

I wonder if Moonbie used it to draw the mickey ears on that logo? :)

I'm crossing my fingers that there are still a few left by the time I get there in 3 weeks, since there's no way to get it otherwise (other than paying a lot of money on ebay when it appears).

Zz.

 

[Moonbear]

Oooh... I might actually WEAR something like that, even to work and Disney World!

Now about being able to fit in a suit with Evo...

:)

Zz.

Not in spandex, please.

 

[Moonbear]

I wonder if Moonbie used it to draw the mickey ears on that logo? :)

Oops, nope, I just made circles, not ovals. But that was on purpose, to avoid trademark infringement...yeah, that's it!

If we all go to Disney together, we should make commemorative PF mouse ear t-shirts! Now, before you get all crazy, I'm only going to wear it if we keep it to a pocket-size logo on a dark-color t-shirt (we'd have to put the logo inside a light-colored field so the ears show up). Do you think a t-shirt maker would be willing to risk doing the mouse-ears? Or would they balk at it as trademark infringement? We might just have to wear the t-shirt with the PF logo and mouse ears hats for the official PF photo.

 

[ZapperZ]

Oops, nope, I just made circles, not ovals. But that was on purpose, to avoid trademark infringement...yeah, that's it!

If we all go to Disney together, we should make commemorative PF mouse ear t-shirts! Now, before you get all crazy, I'm only going to wear it if we keep it to a pocket-size logo on a dark-color t-shirt (we'd have to put the logo inside a light-colored field so the ears show up). Do you think a t-shirt maker would be willing to risk doing the mouse-ears? Or would they balk at it as trademark infringement? We might just have to wear the t-shirt with the PF logo and mouse ears hats for the official PF photo.

Er... dark-color t-shirt in the Florida heat, Moonbie?

I'd say we make a T-shirt similar to the logo you had already, except the color combination has to change. :)

Zz.

 

[ZapperZ]

Ooooh.. a new WDW Passholder exclusive pin will be released tomorrow. I think this is the first time Chip & Dale will be featured on a passholder pin, at least within the past 2 1/2 years since I became an annual passholder.

Certainly something I look forward to getting soon. So hang on Chip and Dale, I'm comin' to get ya!

Zz.

 

[Moonbear]

Er... dark-color t-shirt in the Florida heat, Moonbie?

Water rides Zz, water rides!

I'd say we make a T-shirt similar to the logo you had already, except the color combination has to change. :)

Zz.

Yeah, the blue logo on green really doesn't go well. Oh, maybe the blue logo on a yellow shirt? Then we won't lose each other in the crowd as easily either!

 

[Moonbear]

Ooooh.. a new WDW Passholder exclusive pin will be released tomorrow. I think this is the first time Chip & Dale will be featured on a passholder pin, at least within the past 2 1/2 years since I became an annual passholder.

Certainly something I look forward to getting soon. So hang on Chip and Dale, I'm comin' to get ya!

Zz.

Oh, Chip and Dale are so cute!

 

[Moonbear]

Oh, and I just thought of a "theme" for our PF trip to the land of the mouse...

Geeks and Squeaks!

(Now if Greg would just hurry up and give us that <groan> smiley I requested, we could all insert it now. )

 

[ZapperZ]

Oh, and I just thought of a "theme" for our PF trip to the land of the mouse...

Geeks and Squeaks!

HEY! Who are you calling a squeak?!

:)

I don't mind wearing yellow, but there's a risk we might get confused with the notorious "Brazillian high school" teenagers. They tend to wear yellow and run over the park they are attending.

But then again, it has been ages since I get mistaken for a teenager, even though I still behave like one...

Zz.

 

[ZapperZ]

So this is still 2 years away, but in case you have an inkling of maybe visiting Walt Disney World (especially if you're from outside the US and will have to plan a trip like this way in advance), consider that Oct. 1st 2007 is the 25th Anniversary of Epcot. If they have learned anything from Disneyland's celebration, it is that a good birthday party draws the crowd in. So I expect them to pull out all the stops for this one, especially considering the international flavor of Epcot.

Zz.

 

[Moonbear]

So this is still 2 years away, but in case you have an inkling of maybe visiting Walt Disney World (especially if you're from outside the US and will have to plan a trip like this way in advance), consider that Oct. 1st 2007 is the 25th Anniversary of Epcot. If they have learned anything from Disneyland's celebration, it is that a good birthday party draws the crowd in. So I expect them to pull out all the stops for this one, especially considering the international flavor of Epcot.

Zz.

Do you know how old you suddenly made me feel with this news? I remember all the excitement when Epcot opened, and now you're telling me they have a 25th Anniversary coming up?!

 

[ZapperZ]

Do you know how old you suddenly made me feel with this news? I remember all the excitement when Epcot opened, and now you're telling me they have a 25th Anniversary coming up?!

Humm... this seems to be backfiring. :)

But Moonbie dear, I'm way older than you are!

[OK, that may have made you feel better, but now I'm depressed].

There is only one way to solve all this - we just have to plan our trip to Epcot for the Anniversary. I know for sure this will make ME feel better.

:)

Zz.

 

[Moonbear]

Humm... this seems to be backfiring. :)

But Moonbie dear, I'm way older than you are!

[OK, that may have made you feel better, but now I'm depressed].

There is only one way to solve all this - we just have to plan our trip to Epcot for the Anniversary. I know for sure this will make ME feel better.

:)

Zz.

Well, I was going to ask if it would be a month-long celebration so I could go for my birthday, but then I checked the schedule for the conference I usually attend that time of year, and that year, it's in San Diego and the first week of November, so that might be a little too close (I was hoping that might be a year the conference rotated to the Orlando Convention Center).

Who am I kidding though? It's still too soon for me to plan the trip that's only about 4 months away let alone one in two years!

 

[Evo]

Gosh darn it <whacks Zz with her cane> you guys are posting too fast for me to keep up. What, it's 2007 already and it's Moonbears 25th Anniversary? I didn't even know she was married!

 

[Moonbear]

Gosh darn it <whacks Zz with her cane> you guys are posting too fast for me to keep up. What, it's 2007 already and it's Moonbears 25th Anniversary? I didn't even know she was married!

Didn't you get your invitation? Zz and I are going to get married at the Castle and we're registering at the Disney Store.

How long before we hear Zz screaming and running in fear when he sees this?

 

[Evo]

Didn't you get your invitation? Zz and I are going to get married at the Castle and we're registering at the Disney Store.

How long before we hear Zz screaming and running in fear when he sees this?

Can I be the flower girl?

 

[Moonbear]

Can I be the flower girl?

Well, I thought all the PF sisters would be bridesmaids, and you'll all wear mouse ears. I think Zz will wear all his pins on a sash like a prince, and I'll have golden mouse ears instead of a veil/headdress thing.

Hey, this is sounding way better than any regular wedding.

 

[Evo]

Well, I thought all the PF sisters would be bridesmaids,

Can we bring our guns?