Distribution of energy after matter/antimatter annihilation

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The discussion revolves around the distribution of energy following matter-antimatter annihilation events in the early universe, particularly focusing on the implications for the energy content of the universe and the current status of radiation compared to matter, dark matter, and dark energy.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the apparent discrepancy between the expected energy contribution from photons produced during annihilation events and the current understanding that radiation content is negligible in the universe.
  • Another participant explains that the energy density of radiation decreases faster than that of matter as the universe expands, with radiation dropping as ##1/a^4## compared to matter's ##1/a^3##.
  • A participant notes that while the energy density of radiation is currently negligible, it was not the case in the very early universe when radiation dominated the energy density.
  • It is mentioned that there are still approximately 10^8 photons for every nuclear particle, but the energy of these photons is low, primarily in the microwave region of the spectrum.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the emphasis on the present-day situation versus the early universe context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the current low energy density of radiation compared to matter, dark matter, and dark energy, but there is a discussion about the historical context and the evolution of energy densities over time.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on the definitions of energy density and the assumptions about the early universe's conditions. The varying rates of dilution for radiation and matter are central to the conversation.

ft_c
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Hi all

Maybe a quick question!

After the big bang and inflation, a little while later there is the mass annihilation event where 10 billion matter particles and 10 billion anti matter particles annihilate, sending out energetic photons. For each 10 billion annihilation events there is one remaining matter particle (or 2? whatever.. :)

So the contribution to the energy content of the universe from photons should be 10 (or is it 20) billion times more than that of matter. But as we're told, by like wikipedia and books and stuff, the radiation content of the universe is negligible...

What's going on there? Where have all those photons gone? Or where has their energy gone, I don't think the expanding universe/photons can cover all that!

Thanks!
 
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ft_c said:
Hi all

Maybe a quick question!

After the big bang and inflation, a little while later there is the mass annihilation event where 10 billion matter particles and 10 billion anti matter particles annihilate, sending out energetic photons. For each 10 billion annihilation events there is one remaining matter particle (or 2? whatever.. :)

So the contribution to the energy content of the universe from photons should be 10 (or is it 20) billion times more than that of matter. But as we're told, by like wikipedia and books and stuff, the radiation content of the universe is negligible...

What's going on there? Where have all those photons gone? Or where has their energy gone, I don't think the expanding universe/photons can cover all that!

Thanks!
Radiation dilutes faster than matter. As the universe expands by a factor of ##a##, the energy density of matter drops as ##1/a^3##, while the energy density of radiation drops as ##1/a^4##. This is because radiation redshifts as the universe expands.

In the very early universe, radiation was the dominant energy density of our universe. But it diluted until matter had a higher energy density.
 
Ahh right yes, thanks very much!
 
The energy density of the radiation (largely in the CMB) is negligible compared with matter, Dark Matter and Dark Energy, however that is because the energy of each photon (now largely in the microwave region of the spectrum) is so low.

There are still 108 photons to every nuclear particle.

Garth
 
Garth said:
The energy density of the radiation (largely in the CMB) is negligible compared with matter, Dark Matter and Dark Energy, however that is because the energy of each photon (now largely in the microwave region of the spectrum) is so low.

There are still 108 photons to every nuclear particle.

Garth
This is true now. It wasn't true in the very early universe: before our universe was ~75,000 years old, radiation had a higher energy density than matter (normal + dark).
 
Of course, as you said in your post #2. I was emphasizing the present day situation.

Garth
 

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