Do all stars have same revolving speed?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether all stars in the Milky Way galaxy have the same revolving speed. Participants explore the apparent fixed positions of stars in constellations and the implications of their relative motions over time.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if all stars have the same revolving speed, noting that stars appear fixed in their positions relative to each other, using the Orion constellation as an example.
  • Another participant suggests that while stars may revolve at similar linear speeds, their angular speeds differ, and the slow rotation speeds combined with vast distances make changes in star positions imperceptible within a human lifetime.
  • A participant shares an animation showing the proper motion of Barnard's star, emphasizing its proximity to the solar system compared to more distant stars like Rigel and Betelgeuse.
  • It is noted that the relative positions of distant stars change very little due to their great distances, which leads to the question of whether stars will eventually leave their respective constellations over millions of years.
  • Some participants express a naive understanding of star orbits, comparing them to planetary orbits within the solar system, while acknowledging a lack of knowledge in astronomy.
  • One participant contrasts the ordered motion of planets in the solar system with the more complex and less predictable motion of stars in the galaxy, highlighting the differences in mass distribution and orbital dynamics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the motion of stars, with some agreeing on the complexity of stellar orbits while others maintain differing perspectives on the nature of their speeds and positions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding whether all stars have the same revolving speed.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of astronomical concepts, and there are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of star motion and the effects of distance on perceived positions.

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In our milky way, do all stars have same revolving speed? This Question is in my mind because we always sees that all star are always in same position with respect to other, i mean if take an example of orion constellation then it seems that betalgeous is always in a same position with respect to rigel. so betalgeous, rigel or any other star in our galaxy have same revolving speed?
 
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Stars do seem to revolve at similar linear speeds (and therefore different angular speeds), but the reason you see these stars appearing fixed in the sky is that the rotation speeds are so slow, and the distances so far, that during anyone person's lifetime you could not notice the change in the location of the stars.
 
Barnard's star:

http://www.fornax.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/Barnard_Animation_1991_To_2007_Small.gif

The above is an animated gif that displays the proper motion of Barnard's star from 1991 to 2007.
 
Barnard's star is incredibly close to our solar system, in astronomical terms. Rigel and Betelgeuse are over a hundred times farther away than that, so the change to their relative position on the sky is minuscule.
 
So after many million year we may see stars in anyother position? I mean they leave their respective constellation?
 
Yeah, I've wondered about the orbits of stars, on a relative astronomical scale, near us too.

Since I have generally no astronomy knowledge, I've always treated stars in our galaxy similar to how we treat planets in our solar system. You could go one level further down in my dichotomy for the orbit of moons around planets. So, naively, everything is just orbiting on different astronomical scales. Our galaxy is spinning around a black hole (like our planet has angular momentum around our star), so I'd think there would be similarities of our star's orbit with respect to other stars near us (I guess maybe aside from Barnard's star). I don't know, my physics knowledge is more earthly, so anyone feel free to correct me if the view is too naive.
 
Ravi Mandavi said:
So after many million year we may see stars in anyother position? I mean they leave their respective constellation?

Here's an animation that shows the how the Big Dipper changes from 100,000 BC to 100,000 AD.
 

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Janus said:
Here's an animation that shows the how the Big Dipper changes from 100,000 BC to 100,000 AD.

Thanx
 
Mindscrape said:
Yeah, I've wondered about the orbits of stars, on a relative astronomical scale, near us too.

Since I have generally no astronomy knowledge, I've always treated stars in our galaxy similar to how we treat planets in our solar system. You could go one level further down in my dichotomy for the orbit of moons around planets. So, naively, everything is just orbiting on different astronomical scales. Our galaxy is spinning around a black hole (like our planet has angular momentum around our star), so I'd think there would be similarities of our star's orbit with respect to other stars near us (I guess maybe aside from Barnard's star). I don't know, my physics knowledge is more earthly, so anyone feel free to correct me if the view is too naive.
Well, the inner part of our solar system (with the planets) has a lot more order than the galaxy. In our solar system, the sun has something like ~99% of the total mass and everything orbits the sun.
The galaxy gets its mass mainly from all the stars and gas flying around, which is not a nice (nearly) point-like source like the sun. Therefore, the motion of the stars on a galactic scale is much more complicated, many of them don't have nice orbits as the planets do. And even if they do, the orbits of stars near them can be different (something like ~20km/s of random motion, compared to the orbital velocity of ~200km/s for stars near the sun).
 

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