Do Black holes reach a critical mass?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of black holes potentially reaching a critical mass where the forces generated by the matter within them could exceed the compressive forces, possibly leading to a phenomenon akin to a Big Bang. The scope includes theoretical considerations and speculative ideas regarding black hole physics and quantum gravity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Theoretical speculation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about theories suggesting that black holes could become so massive that internal forces might lead to a Big Bang.
  • One participant mentions the existence of speculative theories about black holes creating new universes but notes a lack of theories that fit the initial query regarding our universe.
  • A participant discusses the necessity of understanding the interior configuration of black holes to address the question, emphasizing that current knowledge is limited by the lack of a quantum gravity framework.
  • It is suggested that according to General Relativity, stable configurations of matter cannot exist inside a black hole, and any added pressure would only increase gravitational attraction.
  • Further elaboration is provided on the implications of the Pauli exclusion principle and the no-hair theorems, indicating that the behavior of matter inside black holes may differ significantly from that of neutron or white dwarf stars.
  • There is speculation that a fully-quantum treatment of gravity could alter current understandings, but this remains uncertain.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the possibility of black holes reaching a critical mass and the implications of quantum gravity, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in current understanding, particularly regarding the interior of black holes and the role of quantum gravity, which are not fully resolved.

Simon Pratt
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Are there any theories on Blackholes becoming so massive that the forces generated by the matter within them exceeds the forces compressing them and the tipping point leads to a Big Bang?
 
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I believe there are some highly speculative theories regarding black holes creating new universes, but there are no theories fitting your description involving our own universe that I know of.
 
Simon Pratt said:
Are there any theories on Blackholes becoming so massive that the forces generated by the matter within them exceeds the forces compressing them and the tipping point leads to a Big Bang?
We'd have to know the configuration of the interior of a black hole to know that, which would require an understanding of quantum gravity. But my guess is probably not.

The issue is that once you have a black hole, and pressure which is added to the system to prevent further collapse just increases the gravitational attraction. According to General Relativity, there's simply no way for any stable configuration of matter to exist inside a black hole.

The only way out of this would be for quantum gravity to produce a different result. And my suspicion is that it just won't have anything analogous to the bounds for neutron or white dwarf stars, as very different physics will be involved. But we can't really know without a quantum description of the interior of a black hole.

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To argue a little bit further, the limits for neutron and white dwarf stars rely upon the Pauli exclusion principle, which is based on there being a specific number of particles. The no-hair theorems for black holes do not permit particle number as a valid property of the black hole, possibly indicating that the interior matter within the black hole cannot behave like a fermionic fluid.

Granted, the fully-quantum treatment of gravity might still turn this on its ear. It's hard to know.
 
We have some interesting answers, but PF is not based on speculation, because we are aimed clearly more at the Science that you find in textbooks and respected journals. Thanks to everyone for posting. Thread closed.
 
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