Do exactly the same chemicals react with each other

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The discussion revolves around whether identical chemical compounds can react with each other and under what conditions such reactions might occur. Participants explore theoretical scenarios, specific examples, and the nature of chemical interactions, including polymer formation and molecular changes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether identical chemicals can chemically react with one another and how common such reactions are.
  • One participant suggests that in a pure environment, like distilled water, molecules do not react with each other, raising the idea of whether a compound can change its properties through interaction with identical molecules.
  • Polymers are discussed as examples where multiple identical molecules bond together, such as glucose forming starch or polypeptides forming chains of amino acids.
  • Another participant mentions the formation of O2 from O and H2 from H as examples of reactions involving identical atoms.
  • Concerns are raised about whether a molecule can change into another type of the same molecule when surrounded by identical molecules, with some skepticism about the possibility of such a transformation.
  • Examples of nitrogen dioxide and formaldehyde are provided, illustrating how certain compounds can react with themselves under specific conditions to form different species or polymers.
  • Disproportionation is mentioned as a concept relevant to the discussion, suggesting complexity in reactions involving identical molecules.

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Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on whether identical chemicals can react in the ways discussed. Some examples are agreed upon, but the broader question remains contested and unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding and the complexity of chemical interactions, suggesting that definitions and conditions play a significant role in the discussion.

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Not sure if this is well know but for some reason, I don't know if exactly same chemicals make chemical reactions with one another and if yes, how common that is?
 
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Your question is not clear to me.
 
If there was an environment with only one compound in it, for example destilised water, I understand that water molecules don't chemically react with it each other. At least not on Earth I imagine.
But I was wondering if there is such a compound which in some way, changes its molecular property by interacting with another same compound. I guess the other compound would also change into the same thing...
 
I"m not sure what you mean - let's take this to be an answer.
Polymers, examples:
multiple glucose molecules which are chemically bonded into a chain == starch.
From wikipedia:
Starch is very similar to cellulose. But cellulose is a fiber that you can't digest. The thing that makes these two polymers different is simply how the glucose molecules are put together in the polymer chain

polypepetides can be chains of the same amino acid - like where G=glutamic acid G-G-G-G-G
 
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@BillTre - not clear to me either. But polymers meet his definition. Probably not his intent.
 
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Ah I see what you mean Jim, if same molecules start boding together, that essentially is a chemical reaction and the result is a different molecule. So from that angle the answer would be yes.
I was more thinking if the actual internal structure of the molecule could ever change by being around a molecule or molecules just like itself.
Thanks for the reply btw!
 
How about O forming O2, or H forming H2?
Is that the kind of thing you mean?
I think the unbonded atoms (which some might call molecules) would be unstable.

or what about 3O2's forming 2O3's? (all more than a single atom)?
 
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Yes, that's a great example. hah, what's that expression.. can't see the forest for the trees.
But that still does just create a "chain" sort to speak.
I was more thinking of a molecule, say some acid for example that will react every time it is surrounded by itself... And turn into another type of acid. I can't imagine this could happen as they would have to turn into either something else (so someone would have to donate an atom or two, I guess they would have to argue it out? ;) ), but they cannot change into a same thing, because they would just remain the same thing.
Sorry this might be obvious, but it just never occurred to me to question it, just in case...
 
Or: radioactive decay -> alpha particle -> interacts with neighbor nucleus. You should consider reading about chemistry.

Your question is 'a too nebulous what if '; too many answers fit.
 
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Thanks Jim, this is totally a basic question. I just for some reason questioned it
 
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Bottom line, creating poly-chains seems to be the only option a molecule has when reacting with itself.
 
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A good example of this phenomenon is nitrogen dioxide. NO2 can react with itself to form N2O4. So, under certain conditions (e.g. low temperature or high pressure), a vial of nitrogen dioxide will convert mostly to dinitrogen tetroxide, whereas under other conditions (high temp or low pressure), it will stay as nitrogen dioxide.

Another example of this phenomenon is formaldehyde. Formaldehyde is fairly reactive substance that can react with itself to form various polymeric forms (e.g. paraformaldehyde). As a diffuse gas, formaldehyde can exist mostly as monomers, but once this gas condenses, you begin to start forming these polymers.
 
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A bit tricky, if the molecule reacts with itself you can't start with a pure compound :wink:

Google for disproportionation.
 
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