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The discussion revolves around solving a partial differential equation with boundary conditions, specifically focusing on the Fourier series representation of the function f(x,t). The user has successfully identified the Fourier coefficients F_1(t) and F_3(t) for the terms corresponding to n=1 and n=3, while noting that F_n(t) equals zero for n not equal to 1 or 3. The user is uncertain whether to solve for T_1, T_3, and T_n separately and is comparing their results with notes that yield different expressions for T_1(t) and T_3(t). Ultimately, the user confirms that their derived solution satisfies the original problem, raising questions about the validity of the notes. The conversation highlights the importance of correctly applying boundary conditions and Fourier series in solving PDEs.
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Hey! :o

I have to solve the following problem:
$$u_t=u_{xx}+f(x,t), 0<x<L, t>0$$
$$u(0,t)=u(L,t)=0, t>0$$
$$u(x,0)=0, 0<x<L$$
$$f(0,t)=f(L,t)=0, t>0$$
$$f(x,t)=e^t \sin{(\frac{\pi x }{L})}+2t \sin{(\frac{3 \pi x }{L})}$$

I have done the following:

I write $f$ as a Fourier series:
$$f(x,t)=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}{F_n(t) \sin{(\frac{n \pi x}{L})}}$$
$$n \neq 1,3: F_n(t)=\frac{2}{L} \int_0^L \sin{(\frac{n \pi x}{L})}dx=0$$
$$F_1(t)=\frac{2}{L} \int_0^L (e^t \sin{(\frac{ \pi x}{L})}+2t \sin{(\frac{3 \pi x}{L})} ) \sin{(\frac{\pi x}{L})}dx=e^t$$
$$F_3(t)=\frac{2}{L} \int_0^L (e^t \sin{(\frac{ \pi x}{L})}+2t \sin{(\frac{3 \pi x}{L})} ) \sin{(\frac{3 \pi x}{L})}dx=2t$$
So $$f(x,t)=F_1(t) \sin{(\frac{\pi x}{L})}+F_3(t) \sin{(\frac{3 \pi x}{L})}=e^t \sin{(\frac{\pi x}{L})}+2t \sin{(\frac{3 \pi x}{L})}$$

I write $u$ as a Fourier series:
$$u(x,t)=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}{T_n(t) \sin{(\frac{n \pi x}{L})}}$$
$$u_t=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}{T_n'(t) \sin{(\frac{n \pi x}{L})}}$$
$$u_{xx}=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}{-\frac{n^2 \pi^2}{L^2}T_n(t) \sin{(\frac{n \pi x}{L})}}$$
Replacing at the problem, we get:
$$\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}{T_n'(t) \sin{(\frac{n \pi x}{L})}}=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}{(-\frac{n^2 \pi^2}{L^2}T_n(t) +F_n(t))\sin{(\frac{n \pi x}{L})}}$$
$$T_n'(t) + \frac{n^2 \pi^2}{L^2}T_n(t)=F_n(t)$$

How can I continue??
Do I have to find separately $T_1$, $T_3$ and $T_n \text{ for } n\neq 1,3$?? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
Hey! :o

Hi! (Happy)

How can I continue??
Do I have to find separately $T_1$, $T_3$ and $T_n \text{ for } n\neq 1,3$?? (Wondering)

Sounds like a good plan to me... (Mmm)
 
I like Serena said:
Hi! (Happy)
Sounds like a good plan to me... (Mmm)

I tried to solve it in that way.

I got the following finding first the solution of the homogeneous equation and then the particular solution:

$$T_1(t)=A_n(t) e^{-\frac{\pi^2 t}{L^2}}, \text{ where } A_n(t)=\frac{L^2}{L^2+\pi^2} (e^{(1+\frac{\pi^2}{L^2})t}-1)$$

$$T_3(t)=B_n(t) e^{-\frac{9 \pi^2 t}{L^2}}, \text{ where } B_n(t)=\frac{2 t L^2}{9 \pi^2} e^{\frac{9 \pi^2 t}{L^2}}-\frac{2 L^4}{81 \pi^4} (e^{\frac{ 9 \pi^2 t}{L^2}}-1)$$

$$T_n=0, \text{ for } n \neq 0$$

So the solution would be:
$$u(x,t)=T_1(t) \sin{(\frac{\pi x }{L})}+T_3(t) \sin{(\frac{3 \pi x}{L})}$$

In my notes there is the following:
$$T_1(t)=\frac{1}{3}(e^t-e^{-2t})$$
$$T_3(t)=\frac{1}{9}(t+\frac{1}{18}(e^{-18 t}-1))$$
$$u(x,t)=T_1(t) \sin{(\frac{\pi x }{L})}+T_3(t) \sin{(\frac{3 \pi x}{L})}$$

It's different from what I've found...What have I done wrong? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
I tried to solve it in that way.

I got the following finding first the solution of the homogeneous equation and then the particular solution:

$$T_1(t)=A_n(t) e^{-\frac{\pi^2 t}{L^2}}, \text{ where } A_n(t)=\frac{L^2}{L^2+\pi^2} (e^{(1+\frac{\pi^2}{L^2})t}-1)$$

$$T_3(t)=B_n(t) e^{-\frac{9 \pi^2 t}{L^2}}, \text{ where } B_n(t)=\frac{2 t L^2}{9 \pi^2} e^{\frac{9 \pi^2 t}{L^2}}-\frac{2 L^4}{81 \pi^4} (e^{\frac{ 9 \pi^2 t}{L^2}}-1)$$

$$T_n=0, \text{ for } n \neq 0$$

So the solution would be:
$$u(x,t)=T_1(t) \sin{(\frac{\pi x }{L})}+T_3(t) \sin{(\frac{3 \pi x}{L})}$$

In my notes there is the following:
$$T_1(t)=\frac{1}{3}(e^t-e^{-2t})$$
$$T_3(t)=\frac{1}{9}(t+\frac{1}{18}(e^{-18 t}-1))$$
$$u(x,t)=T_1(t) \sin{(\frac{\pi x }{L})}+T_3(t) \sin{(\frac{3 \pi x}{L})}$$

It's different from what I've found...What have I done wrong? (Wondering)

I replaced the result I found at the problem and it satisfies it...

I also replaced the result from my notes at the problem, but it doesn't satisfy it, does it? (Wondering)

So is the my result correct?? (Thinking)
 
mathmari said:
I replaced the result I found at the problem and it satisfies it...

I also replaced the result from my notes at the problem, but it doesn't satisfy it, does it? (Wondering)

So is the my result correct?? (Thinking)

Or isn't it correct?? (Wondering) (Tauri)
 
mathmari said:
$$u_t=u_{xx}+f(x,t), 0<x<L, t>0$$
$$u(0,t)=u(L,t)=0, t>0$$
$$u(x,0)=0, 0<x<L$$
$$f(0,t)=f(L,t)=0, t>0$$
$$f(x,t)=e^t \sin{(\frac{\pi x }{L})}+2t \sin{(\frac{3 \pi x }{L})}$$

I have done the following:

I write $f$ as a Fourier series:
$$f(x,t)=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}{F_n(t) \sin{(\frac{n \pi x}{L})}}$$

Do we expand the function $f$ in an odd way due to the conditions:
$u(0,t)=u(L,t)=0, t>0$
or due to the conditions:
$f(0,t)=f(L,t)=0, t>0$ ?? (Thinking)
 

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