Do Numbers Exist Independently or Are They Just Human Inventions?

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The discussion revolves around the philosophical question of whether numbers and mathematics exist independently of human thought or are merely human inventions. The original poster expresses a personal belief in the independent existence of numbers while seeking theories and perspectives on the topic, mentioning Plato's ideas as a starting point.

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  • Participants explore various philosophical theories regarding the existence of numbers, including references to Platonism and other schools of thought in the philosophy of mathematics. Questions about the implications of a naturalistic worldview on metaphysical concepts are also raised.

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Some participants have provided references to philosophical frameworks and suggested areas for further exploration. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the topic, with multiple interpretations being considered. The original poster is encouraged to incorporate their viewpoint while supporting it with philosophical arguments.

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The original poster notes uncertainty about the appropriateness of the question in the forum context and expresses concern about how their personal views will be received in an academic setting.

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I got a question for uni about whether numbers and mathematics have an independent existence, or are simply a human invention... i personally believe they have an independent existence, but i doubt my lecturer will appreaciate an essay on my own point of view haha...

does anyone know some of the theories that are out there on the matter? its a very interesting question, but iv only gotten as far as Plato's physical and platonic worlds... not much real science or maths involved in it were i found my info haha
 
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PS. i didnt know where 2 put this question... it doesn't really fit here =P
 
Teresa said:
I got a question for uni about whether numbers and mathematics have an independent existence, or are simply a human invention... i personally believe they have an independent existence, but i doubt my lecturer will appreaciate an essay on my own point of view haha...

does anyone know some of the theories that are out there on the matter? its a very interesting question, but iv only gotten as far as Plato's physical and platonic worlds... not much real science or maths involved in it were i found my info haha

It sounds like a question that requires an opinionated response, so I think your own point of view is exactly what they're looking for, as long as you have support of course.
 
Well the existence of something metaphysical without beeings with reasoning going on in their head is not what you want to have in a naturalistic world view ;)
 
The philosophy of mathematics covers this and related questions. You can start with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_mathematics#Contemporary_schools_of_thought", which summarizes Platonism, Logicism, Empiricism, Formalism, Intuitionism, Constructivism, etc. There are plenty of options.

Oh, also, these arguments usually apply to all mathematical objects or theories, not only specifically to numbers, so you'll probably want to check and keep that in mind.
 
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