Do photons have mass and how does it affect their existence?

  • Context: High School 
  • Thread starter Thread starter superkraken
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Mass Photons
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of photons, specifically whether they have mass and how this relates to their behavior in the context of black holes. Participants explore theoretical implications, quantum properties, and the relationship between mass, energy, and momentum in the framework of relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how light can be affected by black holes if photons are massless, suggesting a contradiction in understanding their existence.
  • Others argue that while photons are massless, they still possess energy and momentum, which allows them to interact with spacetime in the context of black holes.
  • A participant introduces the concept of photons as quantum objects, noting that they do not conform to classical particle properties and asserting that they have zero invariant mass.
  • There is mention of Einstein's equations relating energy, mass, and momentum, with a focus on how these apply to photons.
  • Some participants reference external resources for further reading on the topic, indicating a desire for deeper understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of photons being massless versus having mass, particularly in relation to black holes. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing interpretations of the nature of photons and their interactions with spacetime.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the reliance on classical versus quantum interpretations of photons, the ambiguity surrounding the concept of mass in relativistic contexts, and the complexity of black hole physics. Unresolved mathematical steps and definitions may also affect the clarity of the discussion.

superkraken
Messages
8
Reaction score
0
this is the first time I am learning about photons and i have asmall doubt.
if photons are massless then how come light dosent escape from black holes.
or if they do have mass the by the eqn m=m0/(1-V2/c2)then theyll have infinite mass and turning on a torch may be like getting hit by a bullet train.so how do photons actually exist.with mass or without it?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
superkraken said:
if photons are massless then how come light dosent escape from black holes.

Because they still exist in spacetime and thus have to follow the appropriate paths through spacetime. A black hole bends spacetime in such a way that ALL paths through spacetime lead further into the black hole.

That's a bare minimum explanation, and if you want to know more I encourage you to look into relativity.

superkraken said:
so how do photons actually exist.with mass or without it?

They have no mass, but they still have energy and momentum. Einstein's full equation is: e2 = m2c4 + p2c2

The term which includes mass is zero for photons, but the second is not, and reduces to: e=pc
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: vanhees71
superkraken said:
this is the first time I am learning about photons and i have asmall doubt.
if photons are massless then how come light dosent escape from black holes.
or if they do have mass the by the eqn m=m0/(1-V2/c2)then theyll have infinite mass and turning on a torch may be like getting hit by a bullet train.so how do photons actually exist.with mass or without it?

Photons are quantum objects, elementary lumps of energy of the electromagnetic field. As of such, they have a hard time sharing classical particle properties (like position). If one still adopts a quantum particle interpretation of the uni-photon states, then these objects are massless, i.e. zero invariant mass.
When one forcibly puts photons in black holes, they do escape, as far as I know.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
1K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
3K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K