Do Singular Solutions Always Form a Boundary Around General Solutions?

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The discussion centers on the nature of singular solutions in differential equations, particularly whether singular solutions always form a boundary around general solutions. Participants explore examples, definitions, and implications of singular solutions in the context of differential equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an example of a differential equation, \((x+y)^2y' = 0\), and identifies two solutions: \(y_1 = -x\) and \(y_2 = C\), questioning the classification of singular solutions.
  • Another participant references Wikipedia to provide context on singular solutions, particularly regarding the failure of uniqueness.
  • A participant discusses initial conditions and suggests that both solutions satisfy these conditions, indicating a potential failure of uniqueness in the system.
  • One participant asserts that the system itself is singular, rather than attributing singularity to one specific solution.
  • A later reply introduces the Clairaut equation as a case where the singular solution forms an envelope around general solutions, questioning if this is a universal characteristic of singular solutions.

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Participants express differing views on the classification of singular solutions and whether the singular solution always forms a boundary around general solutions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the universality of this characteristic.

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Participants do not clarify the definitions of singular solutions or the conditions under which they apply, leaving some assumptions and mathematical steps unresolved.

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Just so I have the concept of a singular solution down correctly, suppose I have an equation like:

[tex]\left(x+y\right)^2y' = 0[/tex]

This admits of two solutions:

[tex]y=-x[/tex]

and, from:

[tex]y' = 0[/tex]

[tex]y = C[/tex]

where C is a constant.

So the "two" solutions for the equation would be:

[tex]y_1=-x, y_2 = C[/tex]

In this case, y=-x would be considered the "singular" solution, correct?
 
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Yes, I'm familiar w/ Wikipedia.

If there's a specific example from Wikipedia that you'd like to discuss in more depth, please do so.

Getting back to my example:

[tex](x+y)^2y' = 0[/tex]

The equation is solved by "two" equations:

[tex]y_1 = -x[/tex]

[tex]y_2 = C[/tex]

Suppose we set initial conditions to something very simple, like:

[tex]y(0) = 0[/tex]

Then there would be "two" curves (or lines, for precisely), which would satisfy the equation and initial conditions. That is, the line y=-x passes through the origin, as does the line y=0, both of which are solutions to the differential equation, and both of which satisfy the initial conditions.

So it would appear that failure of uniqueness is something that happens here.

My question is just, do we say that the whole system is singular, or just the y=x part, or what?
 
The system is singular. You cannot say that one solution or the other is a "singular solution".
 
In well-known case of the Clairaut equation, the singular solution forms an "envelope" or "boundary" around the family of general solutions to the D.E.

Is this always the case (i.e., do singular solutions always form a boundary around the set of general solutions), or does this only happen to occur in the case of the Clairaut equation?
 

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