Do We Need Intelligence In Heaven ?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of intelligence in heaven, questioning whether it is necessary in a state where problems do not exist. Participants explore various philosophical implications of existence in heaven and hell, touching on the nature of intelligence, existence, and the human condition in relation to an afterlife.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that if heaven is a place where everything is provided and no problems exist, then intelligence may not be necessary, as one might not even realize their existence.
  • Others argue that the absence of problems does not necessarily negate the need for intelligence, as one might still need to discern what is needed in such a state.
  • There are claims that a perfect heaven would not be desirable, as the excitement of life comes from overcoming challenges.
  • One participant posits that discussions about heaven and afterlife concepts may be limited by human intellectual capacity, suggesting that such matters might be beyond human understanding.
  • A later reply questions the appropriateness of the discussion within the context of the forum, suggesting it may not align with the forum's guidelines on religious topics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the necessity of intelligence in heaven, with no consensus reached. Some find the idea of a problem-free existence unappealing, while others question the relevance of human concepts in a divine context.

Contextual Notes

The discussion touches on philosophical and theological concepts that may not be universally accepted or applicable, and the relevance of human understanding in relation to divine matters remains unresolved.

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In this life we need to think to solve our problems and get ourselves through .But what about in heaven if everything is provided and no problem exist , so our mind is deactivated and I suppose 'I think therefore I am' wouldn't work there, you wouldn't realize you exist . In hell , I think you need intelligence to get yourself out even if there is no solution exist.
 
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Mithal said:
But what about in heaven if everything is provided and no problem exist
That must be your idea of heaven because that certainly wouldn't be heaven for me. :wink:
 
Mithal said:
In this life we need to think to solve our problems and get ourselves through .But what about in heaven if everything is provided and no problem exist , so our mind is deactivated and I suppose 'I think therefore I am' wouldn't work there, you wouldn't realize you exist . In hell , I think you need intelligence to get yourself out even if there is no solution exist.

Well if we did live in a place where everything is provided to us... wouldn't we need intelligence to know what we actually do need in the first place?

I think dieing will be fun. It will sort out a lot of problems in my opinion.
 
Mithal said:
In this life we need to think to solve our problems and get ourselves through .But what about in heaven if everything is provided and no problem exist , so our mind is deactivated and I suppose 'I think therefore I am' wouldn't work there, you wouldn't realize you exist . In hell , I think you need intelligence to get yourself out even if there is no solution exist.

I don't want to spend an eternity in a heaven that's perfect. That's why life is exciting.
 
If you believe in heaven or any kind of afterlife you probably also have to believe that specific matters of God are simply outside the human intellectual capacity. If that's the case, anything you come up with is just a philosophical game that has no basis in reality. Sure that's a copout but the question is unanswerable outside of faith.
All you can really assume is that since it's a completely different state of being, conepts like "being provided for" aren't even relevant.
 
What do students learn in high school these days?
 
Nusc said:
What do students learn in high school these days?

How to have sex
 
That would explain the ineptitude.
 
Nusc said:
That would explain the ineptitude.

Well we know how to do drugs too :frown:
 
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Although this question has not been explicitly framed within a particular religious context, I believe it is still largely a question involving concepts particular to some religious belief systems. Worse, those concepts are not at issue, but are axiomatically accepted and form the background on which the real question is asked. As such, this discussion is not amenable to PF's https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=15840 on religious discussion. I encourage the original poster to seek discussion of this topic on a more appropriate forum.
 

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