Does Gun Control Increase Crime Rates?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between gun control laws and crime rates, examining various perspectives on whether gun control can effectively reduce crime. Participants explore theoretical implications, anecdotal evidence, and the impact of existing laws in different regions, particularly focusing on the Australian experience and comparisons to the United States.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that gun control laws in Australia have led to an increase in crime, suggesting that such laws primarily affect law-abiding citizens rather than criminals.
  • Others propose that the existence of a black market for firearms undermines the effectiveness of gun control measures.
  • One participant contends that complete gun confiscation would be necessary for gun control to work, but views this as impractical.
  • There are claims that no modern city or country has successfully reduced gun-related crime through gun bans, outside of authoritarian regimes.
  • Some participants note that tighter controls on gun licensing could help prevent accidental shootings, though they do not believe it would significantly reduce crime rates.
  • One participant references a lack of correlation between gun control laws and crime rates, suggesting that socioeconomic factors may play a more significant role in violent crime.
  • Another participant mentions that while waiting periods for gun purchases may reduce firearm suicides, they do not significantly lower overall suicide rates.
  • There is a discussion about the political implications of gun control, including references to past presidents and their stances on the issue.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the effectiveness of gun control laws. Some agree on the need for tighter licensing controls, while others firmly oppose any form of gun control, arguing it is ineffective or counterproductive.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various reports and anecdotal evidence, but acknowledge the limitations of existing studies on the correlation between gun control laws and crime rates. There is also mention of the complexity of factors influencing crime, such as socioeconomic status.

  • #61
TheStatutoryApe said:
Regarding Protection
There are rural areas here in America where the police/sheriffs/rangers have a very hard time getting anywhere to protect anyone. If you live in one of these ares and you believe there are bandits that may harm you approaching your residence you can call the police but they may not get there for quite some time. It's much easier for these people to own a gun and at the least have it to protect their person if not try to protect their valuables as well.
Oddly though in an urban area there are more police and a stronger police presence so you would think there is less need for a gun but there are probably more guns and more gun related deaths because there are more criminals. Gangs in particular are a mostly urban phenomena and the majority of these gang members carry guns. They are already criminals so they don't care if they get their guns legally or not.

Response time in Fresno, CA is about 20min-1h. The city that borders us, Clovis, however, has a response time of 5 min! The cops have nothing to do all day so they are responding to your call like they are receiving a tip for it or something.
 
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  • #62
Pengwuino said:
Response time in Fresno, CA is about 20min-1h. The city that borders us, Clovis, however, has a response time of 5 min! The cops have nothing to do all day so they are responding to your call like they are receiving a tip for it or something.
On another forum I spoke with someone in Arizona I think it was who had trouble with bandits trying to steal their gasoline which they kept on hand since there wasn't a gas pump for quite a ways.
Do they have similar troubles out in Fresno?
 
  • #63
Yah people steal gasoline here (no matter what the prices are oddly enough). They siphon from the car though, no one I know actually keeps gasoline on hand separate from the car however.
 
  • #64
TheStatutoryApe said:
Do they have similar troubles out in Fresno?

Fresno is a large city not at all a rural but it is surrounded by rural area. In fact the Fresno metropolitan area has a much larger population then the entire state of South Dakota. :smile: A fact which I happen to like a lot.
 
  • #65
Whats South Dakota's population? Fresno's met. area should be around 1 million population.
 
  • #66
Pengwuino said:
Whats South Dakota's population? Fresno's met. area should be around 1 million population.

In 2004 it was about 770,883 with about an 11% growth rate.
Source: U.S. Census Bureau, 2004 Population Estimates

And yeah, Fresno's met area is a tad more than 10^6.
 
  • #67
Sweet...
 
  • #68
Ba said:
I've lived up in Yosemite and the foothills around there, there is a lot of hunting. Yet when I'm out camping and there is somebody with a gun to "protect them against bears" I usually go as far away from there as possible. Half the time it is a pistol that would take a lot of skill to actually kill a bear. Besides in the dark how fast will they shoot at something they think might be a bear.
I hear you. I wouldn't want to be in the path of a wounded bear on a rampage either.
 
  • #69
Ba said:
Besides in the dark how fast will they shoot at something they think might be a bear.

Especially when half the people have more beer then bullets with them.
 
  • #70
Guns in America will always exist... people want drugs, alcohol, guns and freedom of speech...

drugs and alcohol so they are free to say something rediculously offensive... and a gun to back themselves up afterward...

"you got a problem?.. I got a problem solver... and I call it revolver"
 
  • #71
You just responded to a thread that's been dead for almost a year.
 

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