Does it really matter how we live our lives?

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The discussion revolves around the philosophical question of whether the way we live our lives holds significance, particularly in the context of mortality and the potential absence of an afterlife. Participants explore various perspectives on the meaning of life and the implications of our actions, considering both individual and universal viewpoints.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question if life has meaning if death leads to oblivion, suggesting that the significance of our actions may be diminished in the grand scheme of the universe.
  • Others argue that individual contentment and happiness are paramount, implying that how we live our lives matters primarily to ourselves, regardless of a larger cosmic context.
  • A participant references Steven Pinker, suggesting that concerns about the universe's fate are irrelevant to current human experiences and values.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that meaning is subjective and varies from person to person, indicating that what matters to one individual may not matter to another.
  • One participant posits that the concept of "matter" is tied to conscious beings and their perceptions, arguing that significance is derived from individual experiences rather than universal truths.
  • A dialogue from the movie 'Annie Hall' is cited to illustrate existential questioning about the point of life in the face of cosmic indifference.
  • There is a suggestion that the question of meaning is ultimately pointless without understanding individual perspectives, as it cannot be generalized.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on whether life has inherent meaning or significance. The discussion reflects multiple competing perspectives on the topic, highlighting the subjective nature of meaning.

Contextual Notes

Some statements reflect a lack of consensus on the ability to think objectively about meaning and significance, indicating that assumptions about objectivity may be challenged within the discussion.

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If death really is oblivion, i.e. if there is no afterlife, does it matter how we live our lives?

I suspect there may be a strong tendency to say that yes, it absolutely does matter how we live our lives, but try to examine the question as objectively as possible, without any emotional baggage attached.

If the universe shall one day grow cold, dim, and lifeless, does it really matter if at some earlier time species such as humans were destroying each other?
 
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Steven Pinker (Pinker, 2002, pp. 186-197) argues that it is a non sequitur. Does anyone currently really care that the universe shall one day grow cold, dim, and lifeless? What we currently care about is that we are content, which would be severely improbable if we go around destroying each other.

If there is an afterlife, then this life has no value or meaning, since all it is about is to try and impress whatever entity decides on where we will be spending out afterlife.
 
Holocene said:
If death really is oblivion, i.e. if there is no afterlife, does it matter how we live our lives?

I suspect there may be a strong tendency to say that yes, it absolutely does matter how we live our lives, but try to examine the question as objectively as possible, without any emotional baggage attached.

If the universe shall one day grow cold, dim, and lifeless, does it really matter if at some earlier time species such as humans were destroying each other?

You asked Dose it really matter how we live our live's

It dose matter in more way's than it dose not matter, and the way's that matter have more importance to you while your alive than when your dead...

But the answer will allways be yes, because the way how people live there life will allways matter to them, because they say it dose, because they normaly and allways want to live there life being happy and doing things that they want to do(hence living there life)

So yes the way how you live your life will only have importance or matter if you say it dose, and in doing so you make it matter and have importance.

No matter which way any person will live there life, it will allways matter to them due to the fact they would want to live there life being happy or doing what they want in life, so the answer in a clear minded way, would allways be YES it dose matter
(mainly to the person living the life)
 
Dialogue from the movie 'Annie Hall'. Alvy is a little boy. His mother takes him to the doctor.

Alvy -- Well, the universe is everything, and, if it's expanding, someday it will break apart, and that would be the end of everything.
Mother -- What is that your business? He stopped doing his homework.
Alvy -- What's the point?
 
Things only matter to individuals, or even just things that are alive, they do not matter to things that aren't.
"matter" is in my opinion a local isolated "thing" in a brain or other entity that has the capability of applying value consciously.
Thus, in the moment it matters - if anyone thinks it matters, if no one or no thing thinks it matters, then it probably doesn't, until someone discovers it.

I guess my point is that just because everything dies out doesn't mean it didn't matter when the last wish foundation gave a sick child with cancer the opportunity to meet her idol.
We have to worry about the now, not several million/billion years into the future when the sun dies or humanity is wiped out - unless someone thinks that matters too.

And no, I do not believe we can think about /anything/ objectively.
 
And no, I do not believe we can think about /anything/ objectively.

Is that an objective thought? ;)
 
Moridin said:
Is that an objective thought? ;)

Yeah that's interesting.
 
Holocene said:
... does it matter how we live our lives?
Matter to whom?

To the universe? No.
To ourselves? That's up to us as individuals.
 
DaveC426913 said:
Matter to whom?

To the universe? No.
To ourselves? That's up to us as individuals.

Exactly.

It's not something you can generalize.

What matters to one might not matter to another so it really is a pointless question. You have to literally encroach one's space to find out whether something really does matter or not.
 
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BryanP said:
Exactly.

It's not something you can generalize.
Well, yeah, but we could just as easily decide as an individual family, community, world or race.
 

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