Does Tension Remain Constant in a String with Rollers and a Hanging Weight?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of tension in a string that is held tight at both ends and passes around rollers, with a weight hanging from it. Participants are exploring whether the tension remains constant throughout the string, particularly when considering factors such as the mass of the string and the presence of acceleration on one side.

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  • Participants discuss the assumption that tension is constant in a massless string and question how acceleration affects this tension. There are inquiries about the relationship between the tension and the weight hanging from the string, as well as the implications of moving the block attached to the string.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the conditions under which tension remains constant, while others are exploring the effects of acceleration on tension. There is an ongoing examination of different scenarios, including the ideal conditions of the pulleys and the mass of the string.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the string is massless and that the pulleys are ideal. There is also a concern regarding the maximum allowable tension in the string, which is stated to not exceed 200 grams.

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I have read at many places that tension in the string remains same through the string.

I have a string which is held tight at two ends. It is passing around different rollers. Now, I have small weight hanging on the string at one place. Does this mean that I have same tension through the string in the amount equivalent to the weight?

I have drawn a free body diagram and attached it here.

Thanks everyone,
 

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stringtension said:
I have read at many places that tension in the string remains same through the string.

I have a string which is held tight at two ends. It is passing around different rollers. Now, I have small weight hanging on the string at one place. Does this mean that I have same tension through the string in the amount equivalent to the weight?

I have drawn a free body diagram and attached it here.

Thanks everyone,

Provided that the string is massless, then yes, the tension is the same throughout.

CS
 
stewartcs said:
Provided that the string is massless, then yes, the tension is the same throughout.

CS

And that will be equivalent to the mass hanging. ( T = mg ) Am I right?
 
stringtension said:
And that will be equivalent to the mass hanging. ( T = mg ) Am I right?

Yes.

CS
 
Thanks,

Now, instead of string held at both places, if I have some acceleration on one side, does that change the tension in the string?

I have attached a new picture which shows the acceleration. The mass will be lifted because of the string motion. I am not sure whether this will change the tension.
 

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stringtension said:
Thanks,

Now, instead of string held at both places, if I have some acceleration on one side, does that change the tension in the string?

I have attached a new picture which shows the acceleration. The mass will be lifted because of the string motion. I am not sure whether this will change the tension.

As long as the string is massless, the acceleration will not matter. The tension is still constant.

BTW I can't see your pictures since they have not been approved yet.

CS
 
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Also I'm assuming the pulleys are ideal.

CS
 
Yes. Pulleys are ideal.

String held tight at one end all the time. On the other end, there is a block attached. In the beginning, block is steady. So, only tension in the string is because of the weight hanging there in the middle of the string.

Now, we are moving the block. This will lift the weight. So, you are saying that movement of the block will not add any tension in the string.

It will be much easier once you see the picture.

Thanks,
 
stringtension said:
Yes. Pulleys are ideal.

String held tight at one end all the time. On the other end, there is a block attached. In the beginning, block is steady. So, only tension in the string is because of the weight hanging there in the middle of the string.

Now, we are moving the block. This will lift the weight. So, you are saying that movement of the block will not add any tension in the string.

It will be much easier once you see the picture.

Thanks,

What I've said so far is that the tension will be constant throughout the string assuming an ideal pulley and a massless string. The magnitude of the tension, however, will depend on the acceleration.

Once I can see your picture I may be able to reply more directly to your case. In the mean time, perhaps this site will help:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/atwd.html#c1

CS
 
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I got to make sure here is that tension in the spring does not go beyond equal to 200 gms at any point.
I believe I already have a tension of 125 gms.
Direction of the tension of acceleration is different than tension because of weight. Does that make dieerence or should I just add the two tensions together.
Any help will be apreciated,
 
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stringtension said:
I got to make sure here is that tension in the spring does not go beyond equal to 200 gms at any point.
I believe I already have a tension of 125 gms.
Direction of the tension of acceleration is different than tension because of weight. Does that make dieerence or should I just add the two tensions together.
Any help will be apreciated,

It seems reasonable that if you accelerate the string (and thus lift the weight), you'll be accelerating the weight which will cause its apparent weight to increase, thus increasing the tension in the string. The weight and thus tension increase will be negligible for a 0.02 m/s^2 acceleration.

Hope this helps.

CS
 

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