Does the Correspondence Principle Apply to All Quantum Systems?

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The discussion revolves around the applicability of the correspondence principle in quantum mechanics, specifically whether it can be mathematically justified for general quantum systems beyond simple cases like the particle in a box or harmonic oscillator. Participants explore the principle's implications and seek a more formalized understanding.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the correspondence principle states that classical mechanics emerges from quantum mechanics at high quantum numbers and questions its generalization to all quantum systems.
  • Another participant suggests that the moon's orbit can be viewed as an example of a high quantum number scenario, implying classical behavior.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about whether a formal mathematical statement of the correspondence principle exists beyond its qualitative description in textbooks.
  • One participant proposes using the Heisenberg operator picture to demonstrate the correspondence principle, suggesting that under certain conditions, classical laws can be derived from quantum mechanics.
  • Another participant mentions the need for assumptions such as the absence of explicit time dependence in the potential when applying certain mathematical approaches.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the correspondence principle can be generalized mathematically for all quantum systems. Multiple viewpoints and approaches are presented, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific conditions such as the absence of explicit time dependence in potentials and the assumptions underlying various mathematical formulations discussed.

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Hello.

I know about the correspondence principle which states that classical mechanics emerges from quantum mechanics as high quantum numbers are reached. I can see this for a particle in a box, but can this be mathematically justified for a general quantum system?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Ok...I could see that. Perhaps I should rephrase my question. The correspondence principle as stated for simple quantum systems like a square well and a harmonic oscillator, in most books, is that for large quantum numbers, classical effects become apparent. I was just wondering whether we could generalize this principle mathematically (I know it sounds vague) or whether a more formal statement exists. But I guess not...its a principle after all and a physical principle.
 
the most direct way is to use the Heisenberg operator picture:

[tex]\frac{d <\Omega>}{dt} = \frac{i}{\hbar}<[\hat{H}, \hat{\Omega}]>[/tex]

and show that if omega is the position or momentum operators, that you get back (as an average) a form of Newton's second law.

then construct the wavepacket. in the high temperature limit, the wavepacket approaches a delta function in position and momentum. the average above will then become exact.

this all assumes that there is no _explicit_ time dependence in your potentialyet an alternative demonstration of the bohr correspondence principle, is to consider the de Broglie thermal wavelength as a function of temperature. yet another is to look at the density matrix formulation of the partition function [tex]e^{- \beta \hat{H}}[/tex] and show that in the classical limit you get Boltzmann statistics, etc.

(cant get the beta above to show up in the partition function)
 
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