Does This Lagrange's Equation for a Spring Pendulum Look Correct?

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The discussion revolves around deriving Lagrange's equations of motion for a spring pendulum system, which consists of a mass attached to a spring. The original poster outlines their approach to formulating the kinetic and potential energy expressions and seeks validation of their resulting equation.

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  • Participants discuss the variable nature of the pendulum's length due to the spring's extension and suggest considering additional degrees of freedom. There are inquiries about the completeness of the kinetic energy expression and suggestions for alternative coordinate systems to describe the system.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and suggestions for refining the original poster's approach. Some guidance has been offered regarding the choice of coordinates and the need to account for additional terms in the kinetic energy expression.

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There is an emphasis on the importance of correctly identifying the degrees of freedom and the variables involved in the system's dynamics. The original poster's setup may be constrained by assumptions about the spring's behavior and the pendulum's motion.

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A pendulum consists of a mass m suspended by a massless spring with unextended length b and. spring constant k. Find Lagrange’s equations of motion

Here's how I set up my equation:

x = lsin(theta)
y = -lcos(theta)

(x=0 at equilibrium, y=0 at the point wehre the pendulum is hung from)

Kinetic energy = 1/2 * m * l^2 * (theta dot)^2
Potential energy = -mglcos(theta) + 1/2 kl^2
L = K - U

So after differentiating, I come up with:
theta double dot = w^2 sin (theta)

Does that look right to you?

I appreciate any help.
 
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Can anyone help?
 
Since the mass is attached to a spring, the length l of the pendulum is not constant.
 
With Lagrangian problems you should always consider the degrees of freedom of the system and decide on which coordinates to use to decribe the configuration of the system. In this case the angle theta is a good choice. For the other the distance the spring is stretched from equilibrium seems like another good one, call it u. So the length of your pendulum is the rest length of the spring plus u. Then express L in terms of these variables.
 
Your kinetic energy is also missing a term.
 
heres how i would solve the problem:
T = kinetic energy
U = potential energy

L is the displacement of the mass along the spring
O is the angular displacement of the pendulum

T = m*(L_dot^2)/2 + m*(L^2)(O_dot^2)/2
U = m*g*L(1-cos(O)) + k*(L^2)/2

plug into Lagrange's equation for two equations of motion (generalized coordinates are L and O)
 

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