Does trivial cotangent bundle implies trivial tangent bundle?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between trivial tangent bundles and trivial cotangent bundles in the context of differential geometry. Participants explore whether the triviality of one implies the triviality of the other, particularly focusing on finite versus infinite-dimensional vector spaces.

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  • One participant asserts that if the tangent bundle is trivial, then the cotangent bundle must also be trivial, using global frames as a basis for their argument.
  • Another participant questions the reverse implication, noting that defining a global frame for the tangent bundle from a global frame of the cotangent bundle does not seem straightforward and may not be possible.
  • A later reply suggests that it may indeed be possible to define such a vector field, indicating a reconsideration of the initial claim.
  • One participant introduces the idea that in infinite-dimensional spaces, the dual space can be larger than the original space, complicating the isomorphism between tangent and cotangent bundles.
  • Another participant provides an example involving linear operators on an L² function space, illustrating that a right inverse may exist without a left inverse, which further complicates the discussion.
  • It is suggested that a metric can establish an isomorphism between a finite-dimensional vector space and its dual, but this does not resolve the issues presented by infinite-dimensional spaces.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of trivial tangent and cotangent bundles, particularly in finite versus infinite dimensions. There is no consensus on whether the triviality of one necessarily implies the triviality of the other.

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The discussion highlights limitations related to the definitions and properties of vector spaces, particularly in infinite dimensions, where standard assumptions may not hold. The relationship between dual spaces and their original spaces remains unresolved.

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If the tangent bundle is trivial, then the cotangent bundle is trivial. To see this, consider (X_i) a global frame for TM. Then define a global frame (\alpha^i) for T*M by setting \alpha^i(X_j)=\delta_{ij} and extend by linearity.

Does trivial cotangent bundle implies trivial tangent bundle? A similar argument based on global frames does not seem to work in this direction: given a global frame (\alpha^i) for T*M, how do you define a global frame for TM? It does not makse sense to say "Let X_i be the vector field such that \alpha^i(X_j)=\delta_{ij}" because such a vector field might not exist. And if locally, \alpha^i=\sum_j\alpha^i_jdx^j, then defining a (global) vector field by setting X_i:=\sum_j\alpha^i_j\partial_j is inconsistent because the coefficients \alpha^i_j do no transform correctly.
 
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I may have spoken too fast. It appears now that it does make sense to say "Let X_i be the vector field such that \alpha^i(X_j)=\delta_{ij}".
 
Yeah, if a matrix is invertible, then so is its inverse. :D

The subtlety only happens when things are infinite-dimensional.
 
What happens in that case?
 
The dual space V* of an infinite-dimensional vector space V can be strictly larger than V, and so they can't be isomorphic. For example, on a space of functions, the dual space includes distributions, which are not in the original space.

Also, on an infinite-dimensional vector space, a linear operator might have a right inverse, but no left inverse (or vice versa). For example, on an L^2 function space in an interval [a,b], define the derivative operator D as

Df = \frac{df}{dx}

and an integral operator J as

Jf = \int_a^x f(x') \; dx'

Then D has a right inverse, given by J:

DJf = f

but no left inverse, because

JDf \neq f

for all possible f (specifically, all the constant functions are mapped to 0 by D, and J maps 0 to 0).
 
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In general, you can just use a metric to set up an isomorphism between them, i.e. any nondegenerate pairing < , > on a finite dimensional vector space gives an isomorphism with its dual. The problem of infinite dimensionality of course arises since we're using the equivalence of nondegeneracy and isomorphism.
 

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