Domain and Range of fg(x) for f(x)= e^{2x} + 3 and g(x) = ln(x-1)

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The discussion revolves around finding the range of the composite function fg(x) where f(x) = e^{2x} + 3 and g(x) = ln(x-1). Participants explore the implications of the domains and ranges of the individual functions on the composite function.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the simplification of fg(x) and its dependence on the domains of f and g. Questions arise about the relationship between the domains and ranges of the individual functions and the composite function.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the domain of g(x) and its effect on fg(x). Some participants clarify the distinction between function composition and multiplication, while others express confusion regarding the implications for the range of fg(x).

Contextual Notes

Participants note that g(x) = ln(x-1) has a domain of x > 1, which is critical for determining the behavior of fg(x). There is also a debate about whether the range of fg(x) includes the value 3 or is strictly greater than 3, reflecting differing interpretations of the function's behavior at the boundary of its domain.

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Homework Statement



Find the range for the function;

fg(x) and state its range where

[tex]f(x)= e^{2x} + 3[/tex] and [tex]g(x) = ln(x-1)[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Putting g into f I reach;

[tex]fg(x) = e^{2ln(x-1)}+3[/tex] (1) - here is where I have the problem, now, I know that it simplifies down to

[tex]fg(x) = (x-1)^2 + 3[/tex] (2)

However the question is, can [tex]x = 1[/tex], it's obvious that for the function g, x > 1, or it's undefined, however when you put that into fg(x) the ln goes away so clearly in equation (2) fg >= 3, whereas with (1) fg > 3 (because x > 1). So basically I was wondering, it's obvious that g, f, & fg are linked, however is there a fundamental link between their domain/ranges? Or is it considered a new separate function?

I'd appreciate some guidance, this was on an exam the other day.
 
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(f o g)(x) = f(g(x)) = e2ln(x - 1) + 3 = eln(x-1)2 + 3.

Simplify the exponential term using the fact that eln(u) = u, for u > 0.

On reading your post more carefully, I think you know this.

The composite function f o g is tied to the two functions that make it up, but is different from both. You need to look at the domain of g, which will have a bearing on the domain of f o g. The
 
Hmmm so fg(x) is not a function of x in its own right? it's dependent on the functions that make it up? That doesn't really make sense to me...=/

As for the domain of g, I believe it's g > 0, but how does that help me?
 
Chewy0087 said:
Hmmm so fg(x) is not a function of x in its own right? it's dependent on the functions that make it up? That doesn't really make sense to me...=/
Yes f o g is a function in its own right. Note that when you write fg, it's usually interpreted to mean the product of two functions. IOW (fg)(x) = f(x)*g(x). What you're working with is the composition of two functions, which is why I have been writing the letter o between them. f o g (x) = f(g(x)).
Chewy0087 said:
As for the domain of g, I believe it's g > 0, but how does that help me?
No that doesn't make any sense. g is the name of the function. For g(x) = ln(x - 1), the domain is {x| x > 1}. The input to the ln function has to be positive, so x - 1 > 0, so x > 1.
 
Mark44 said:
Yes f o g is a function in its own right. Note that when you write fg, it's usually interpreted to mean the product of two functions. IOW (fg)(x) = f(x)*g(x). What you're working with is the composition of two functions, which is why I have been writing the letter o between them. f o g (x) = f(g(x)).

No that doesn't make any sense. g is the name of the function. For g(x) = ln(x - 1), the domain is {x| x > 1}. The input to the ln function has to be positive, so x - 1 > 0, so x > 1.

Ah yeah, sorry, i did mean f(g(x)), my bad.

So sorry for the confusion >.< but would the range therefore of f(g(x)) be >= 3? Sorry to be blunt but my teacher says it's just > 3 and i don't believe him >.<
 
The range of f o g is {y | y > 3}. For the range to include 3, it would have to be true that eln(x - 1)2 is 0, which doesn't happen for any real number x.

Think about it: eln(x - 1)2 is identically equal to (x - 1)2, for all x > 1. If x = 1, (x - 1)2 = 0, but eln(x - 1)2 is undefined.

Also, x <= 1 is not in the domain of f o g, for the reason that x <= 1 is not in the domain of ln(x - 1).
 

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