Domain & Interval of Solution for y=x+4\sqrt{x+2}

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The discussion revolves around verifying that the function $$y=\phi(x)$$ is an explicit solution to a given first-order differential equation. Participants explore the domain of the function $$\phi$$ and seek to identify at least one interval of definition for the solution, considering both the function's properties and the differential equation's requirements.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the domain of the function $$y=x+4\sqrt{x+2}$$ and whether it is asking where the function is defined.
  • There is uncertainty about the meaning of "interval of definition," with some participants suggesting it relates to where the differential equation is properly defined.
  • One participant notes that the equality derived during verification is only true when $$x=-2$$, raising concerns about the validity of the solution.
  • Another participant states that the answer key indicates the domain of the function is $$[-2, \infty)$$ and the largest interval of definition for the solution is $$(-2, \infty)$$.
  • There is a request for clarification on what the function $$\phi$$ is, indicating some confusion among participants.
  • A participant points out that an extra $$+8$$ should be included on the right-hand side of the equation during verification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions of domain and interval of definition, and there is no consensus on the interpretation of these terms. Multiple viewpoints on the verification process and the function's properties remain unresolved.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings of the terms "domain" and "interval of definition," as well as unresolved mathematical steps in the verification process.

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The question asks
Verify that the indicated function $$y=\phi(x)$$ is an explicit solution of the given first order differential equation. Consider $$\phi$$ simply as a function, give its domain. Then by considering $$\phi $$as a solution of the differential equation, give at least one interval $$I$$ of definition.

$$(y-x)y'=y-x+8$$; [math]y=x+4\sqrt{x+2}[/math]The first step in solving a problem is understanding the question.

Verify that the indicated function $$y=\phi(x)$$ is an explicit solution of the given first order differential equation.
Understood.

Consider $$\phi$$ simply as a function, give its domain.
Is it asking where the function [math]x+4\sqrt{x+2}[/math] is defined?
Then by considering $$\phi $$as a solution of the differential equation, give at least one interval $$I$$ of definition.
What is an interval of definition?So I took the derivative of y and was verifying the solution and got to the equation

[math]4\sqrt{x+2}+\frac{16\sqrt{x+2}}{2\sqrt{x+2}}=4\sqrt{x+2}[/math] and got a little worried. This equality is only true when x=-2.

The answer key gives: domain of fuctnion is $$[-2, \infty)$$; largest interval of definition for solution is $$(-2, \infty)$$
 
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find_the_fun said:
The question asks
Verify that the indicated function $$y=\phi(x)$$ is an explicit solution of the given first order differential equation. Consider $$\phi$$ simply as a function, give its domain. Then by considering $$\phi $$as a solution of the differential equation, give at least one interval $$I$$ of definition.

$$(y-x)y'=y-x+8$$; [math]y=x+4\sqrt{x+2}[/math]The first step in solving a problem is understanding the question.Understood.Is it asking where the function [math]x+4\sqrt{x+2}[math] is defined?
What is an interval of definition?So I took the derivative of y and was verifying the solution and got to the equation

[math]4\sqrt{x+2}+\frac{16\sqrt{x+2}}{2\sqrt{x+2}}=4\sqrt{x+2}[/math] and got a little worried. This equality is only true when x=-2.

The answer key gives: domain of fuctnion is $$[-2, \infty)$$; largest interval of definition for solution is $$(-2, \infty)$$

Wait, what is your $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \phi \end{align*}$ function that you are trying to test?
 
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Wait, what is your $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \phi \end{align*}$ function that you are trying to test?

I don't really understand what $\phi$ is?
 
Hi find_the_fun,

find_the_fun said:
The question asks
Verify that the indicated function $$y=\phi(x)$$ is an explicit solution of the given first order differential equation. Consider $$\phi$$ simply as a function, give its domain. Then by considering $$\phi $$as a solution of the differential equation, give at least one interval $$I$$ of definition.

$$(y-x)y'=y-x+8$$; [math]y=x+4\sqrt{x+2}[/math]
Consider ϕ simply as a function, give its domain.
Is it asking where the function [math]x+4\sqrt{x+2}[/math] is defined?

Yes.
What is an interval of definition?

The interval of definition is the interval for $x$ where the differential equation is properly defined.
In particular it means that $y'$ must be properly defined.
So I took the derivative of y and was verifying the solution and got to the equation

[math]4\sqrt{x+2}+\frac{16\sqrt{x+2}}{2\sqrt{x+2}}=4\sqrt{x+2}[/math] and got a little worried. This equality is only true when x=-2.

You should have an extra $+8$ on the right hand side.
 

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