Don't understand this simple vector space problem

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to linear operators and their null spaces within the context of finite dimensional vector spaces. Participants explore the implications of the invertibility of the composition of two linear operators, ST, and the relationships between the null spaces of S, T, and ST.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the reasoning behind the assertion that if ST is invertible, then null(S) must be a subset of null(ST), expressing confusion about the implications of this relationship.
  • Another participant asserts that if ST is invertible, the null space of ST is zero and suggests that the question should be re-examined.
  • A different participant acknowledges that while the null space of ST is zero, they struggle to understand how null(S) can be considered a subspace of null(ST).
  • One participant argues that it is not generally true that null(S) is a subspace of null(ST), emphasizing the importance of the invertibility condition and questioning whether S is injective.
  • A later reply introduces a point about the conventions used in operator composition, indicating that different notations may lead to confusion regarding the order of operations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the null spaces of S, T, and ST, with some asserting that null(S) cannot be a subspace of null(ST) while others emphasize the implications of ST being invertible. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific relationships between these null spaces.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of consensus on the implications of the invertibility of ST and how it relates to the null spaces of S and T. The discussion also highlights potential confusion arising from different conventions in operator composition.

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Don't understand this reasoning with respect to linear operators.

Let S and T be linear operators on the finite dimensional vector space V. Then assuming the composition ST is invertible, we get
[tex]\text{null} \; S \subset \text{null} \; ST[/tex]

Why is that? I thought hard about it but I simply cannot follow. Is it not possible to have an element x of V that is in the nullspace of S but not in the nullspace of ST ? i.e. S maps x to 0 but T maps x to y where S don't map y to 0 ?
 
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If ST is invertible, then the null space of it is zero. I think you ought to re-examine your question.

It is certainly true that null(T) is a subspace of null(ST).
 
yes I understand that the null space of ST i zero, and that null(T) is a subspace of null(ST), but how can we say that null(S) is a subspace of null(ST) ? I must be doing some kind of faulty thinking :(
 
You can't say null(S) is a subspace of null(ST), in general. It isn't. Trivially. Howver, you asserted that ST was invertible, and at no point attempted to use this fact. Thus null(ST)=0, so you're asking 'is null(S) a subspace of the zero vector space'. Well, what is the only subspace of the zero space? I.e. is S injective?
 
it depends which convention on composition is being used. some people write ST for first S then T, but not me.
 

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