Dot product, is (a.b).(a.b)=(a.a).(b.b) ?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of the dot product in vector mathematics, specifically questioning whether the expression (a.b)(a.b) equals (a.a)(b.b). Participants explore the implications of the commutative property of the dot product and clarify notation issues.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the dot product is commutative and believes (a.b)(a.b) should equal (a.a)(b.b), but provides a counterexample with specific vectors where the equality does not hold.
  • Another participant corrects the first by stating that commutativity refers to (a.b) = (b.a) and argues that (a.b)(a.b) is generally not equal to (a.a)(b.b), providing a scenario where (a.b) can be zero while (a.a) and (b.b) are positive.
  • A third participant points out that the notation used is misleading, suggesting that the period (.) is used inconsistently to represent both the dot product and multiplication of real numbers, recommending clearer notation for better understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; there are competing views on the interpretation of the dot product and the validity of the original claim regarding equality.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential confusion arising from notation and the need for clarity in mathematical expressions, but does not resolve the underlying question of equality.

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Hi,

As I remember, dot product is commutative, and so (a.b).(a.b) = (a.a).(b.b)
But when I apply to simple vectors it is all wrong, e.g:
a = (2, 2, 0)
b = (1, 0, 0)

(a.b).(a.b) = 2.2 = 4
(a.a).(b.b) = 8.1 = 8

Why are they different? Pls explain for me

Thanks
 
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That is not what "commutative" means. It meas that (a.b) = (b.a)

It should be obvious that (a.b).(a.b) is not equal to (a.a).(b.b) in general. For example (a.b) can be 0 when (a.a) and (b.b) are both greater than 0.
 
Also, your notation is misleading -- "(a.b).(a.b)". You are using a period (.) to indicate two different types of multiplication: the dot or scalar product that is defined for two vectors, and ordinary multiplication of real numbers.

Slightly better notation would be (a.b)(a.b), with nothing shown for the real number multiplication.

Even better would be to use a dot for the dot product, for which some simple LaTeX can be used: (a ##\cdot## b)(a ##\cdot## b).
 
Many thanks
 

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