Double slit experiment question

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The discussion revolves around the role of observation in the double slit experiment, specifically whether the screen and the slits act as observers due to their interaction with electrons. Participants explore the implications of these interactions on the behavior of electrons and the nature of measurement in quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the screen and the cardboard with the slits could be considered observers because they interact with the electrons, leading to a change in the system.
  • Others argue that while the screen records the position of the electron upon interaction, the nature of the interaction between the barrier and the electrons may not provide a definitive measurement of the electron's position at that moment.
  • A participant questions why a detector can influence the electron's choice of slit while the screen cannot, suggesting that the different designs and purposes of the barrier and screen lead to different interactions with electrons.
  • It is noted that the electron detector is specifically designed to interact irreversibly with electrons, which may explain its ability to affect the electron's behavior in a way that the screen does not.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of observation and measurement in the double slit experiment, with no consensus reached on whether the screen and slits can be classified as observers.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of defining observation in quantum mechanics, with assumptions about the nature of interactions and the definitions of measurement remaining unresolved.

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In the double slit experiment does the screen and the cardboard with the slits count as an observer since the electron interacted with them?
 
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Trollfaz said:
In the double slit experiment does the screen and the cardboard with the slits count as an observer since the electron interacted with them?
When an electron interacts with the screen to leave a dot at some point, that's an observation of the position of the electron so you could say that the screen has observed the position of the electron at the moment it reaches the screen. Note the screen+electron system has been irreversibly changed by this interaction.

Interaction between the barrier and the electrons as they pass through the slits may or may not provide a measurement of the position of the electron at that moment.
 
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Then why is the detector used able to cause the electron to choose which slit to go through but not the screen?
 
Trollfaz said:
Then why is the detector used able to cause the electron to choose which slit to go through but not the screen?
The barrier and the screen are completely different objects with completely different construction. Why would we not expect them to interact differently with nearby electrons? Indeed, we've deliberately designed them to interact differently - we've designed the screen to absorb every electron that reaches it, and we've designed the barrier to interact as little as possible with the electrons passing through the slits.

An electron detector is a device that is designed to interact irreversibly with electrons. It should not be surprising to find that a putting such a device in one of the slits produces interactions that wouldn't happen if the detector were not there.
 
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