Dual gender singular reference in English

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the lack of a singular, gender-neutral pronoun in English that effectively refers to both genders. Participants explore various alternatives and express frustrations with existing options, touching on theoretical, conceptual, and practical aspects of language use.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express annoyance at the absence of a singular term for both genders, suggesting alternatives like "xem" or "e".
  • Others argue that using "they" as a singular pronoun is common and has historical precedent, though some still consider it incorrect.
  • A few participants mention the use of "s/he" but find it visually unappealing and cumbersome.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of gender-neutral language, with some questioning the motivations behind the push for such terms.
  • One participant suggests arbitrarily using "he" or "she" until corrected, while another finds this approach problematic.
  • There is a discussion about the influence of feminism on language and the perception of gendered pronouns, with varying opinions on whether this influence is beneficial or unnecessary.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach consensus on a singular solution or the appropriateness of existing pronouns. Multiple competing views remain regarding the use of gender-neutral language and the implications of such changes.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion over grammatical rules regarding singular and plural pronouns, highlighting the tension between prescriptive and descriptive language norms. The discussion reflects varying degrees of acceptance and resistance to changes in language conventions.

  • #31
Gokul43201 said:
Despite having heard that Centerfold song a gazillion times, I have no idea who sang it.

J. Geils (sp?) Band
 
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  • #32
oh, and good luck getting that tune out of your head for the rest of the day. I know I'm stuck with it!
 
  • #33
Ah, okay...thanks for that...I can't think of any other albums/songs by J Geils Band, yet I'm familiar with the name :confused:

I wonder why.
 
  • #34
Freeze Frame
 
  • #35
Math Is Hard said:
oh, and good luck getting that tune out of your head for the rest of the day. I know I'm stuck with it!

Dancing queen
Young and sweet only seventeen.
Dancing Queen
Feel that beat on the tamborine, oh yeah.


Why do you
Fill me up
Buttercup
only to let me down.
You mess me around
but worst of all
You never come over when you say you will.
But I love you still...


Everybody was Kung Fu Fighting...


Who ever knew I could be so cruel!
 
  • #36
tribdog said:
Freeze Frame

and "Love Stinks"
 
  • #37
Dang it, Chi! :mad:

You turned my brain into a radio station and it's %@*&! final exam week! How am I going to concentrate? :confused: :cry:
 
  • #38
Yesterday the guy I work with kept whistling the same tune over and over. He didn't even realize he was doing it or what the song was until I told him. "If I only had a brain" from the Wizard of Oz. Seemed fitting.
 

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