Dynamical System & Hilbert Space: Analyzing the Relationship

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The discussion explores the relationship between dynamical systems and Hilbert spaces, particularly within the context of functional analysis. Participants examine various aspects of this relationship, including theoretical frameworks, mathematical formalizations, and examples from both classical and quantum mechanics.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that Hilbert spaces serve as state spaces for infinite dimensional dynamical systems, referencing evolution equations like the heat and wave equations.
  • Others mention that Hilbert spaces can also represent state spaces for transfer operators related to finite dimensional dynamical systems, suggesting a connection to ergodic theory.
  • One participant seeks clarification on the definition of "dynamical system," emphasizing that these systems evolve over time and can be formalized mathematically with components such as state space, time set, and evolution rule.
  • Another participant connects dynamical systems to quantum theory, noting that it utilizes Hilbert spaces but acknowledges the forum's focus on classical physics.
  • A later reply references a specific epilogue in a book discussing determinism and its interplay with metaphysics and mathematics, suggesting it may be of interest to some participants.
  • Further contributions include links to resources related to classical mechanics and the Koopman-von Neumann framework.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various interpretations of dynamical systems and their relationship with Hilbert spaces, with no clear consensus on definitions or applications. Multiple competing views remain regarding the relevance of quantum theory in the context of the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for additional structure in defining dynamical systems, which may depend on specific mathematical contexts or assumptions that are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Is there any relation between dynamical system and Hilbert space(functional analysis)?
 
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Yes, there are lots of relations, more than a forum thread allows to discuss systematically.

Hilbert spaces are often state spaces for infinite dimensional dynamical systems generated by evolution equations such as the heat or the wave equation. Here you can look further in the direction of operator semigroups, for example in the books by Engel and Nagel or Brezis.

Hilbert spaces also serve as state spaces for transfer operators induced by finite dimensional (even: one-dimensional) dynamical systems. Here you can look further in the direction of ergodic theory, for example in the book by Lasota and Mackey.

The two directions are also closely related.
 
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Thanks very much.
 
Uhm, what exactly do you have in mind with "dynamical system"?
 
andresB said:
Uhm, what exactly do you have in mind with "dynamical system"?
Dynamical systems are systems that evolve (change states) as time passes.
 
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andresB said:
Uhm, what exactly do you have in mind with "dynamical system"?
Delta2 said:
Dynamical systems are systems that evolve (change states) as time passes.
Yes, that's it. You can also formalize it mathematically in various way (see here, for example), but it always involves 1. a state space, 2. a time set and 3. an evolution rule. Often, to make less abstract statements, you need to impose additional structure on one or more of these three components. For example, the state space is a Hilbert space, the time set is ##[0,\infty)## and the evolution rule takes the form of an operator semigroup.

Examples of mathematical objects that give rise to such a structure (in continuous time, in these cases) are ordinary, partial and delay differential equations. (A very different class of examples includes certain automata.)
 
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Delta2 said:
Dynamical systems are systems that evolve (change states) as time passes.
Then of course quantum theory comes to mind, which is a dynamical system in this sense and directly uses Hilbert spaces at its foundations, but we are in the classical-physics forum!
 
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Related to this, there is an epilogue by Gregor Nickel in: Engel and Nagel, One-Parameter Semigroups for Linear Evolution Equations. Some of you may find it interesting.

The epilogue is titled "Determinism: Scenes from the Interplay Between Metaphysics and Mathematics". It discusses both classical and non-classical physics, and the question of determinism itself.

(Van Hees: Change the word "metaphysics" in the title to "physics", if that is better for your health.)
 
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