Representation of Spin 1/2 quantum state

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the representation of spin-1/2 quantum states within the framework of quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the relationship between two-dimensional Hilbert spaces for spin and infinite-dimensional Hilbert spaces for position and momentum. Participants explore the implications of tensor products of these spaces and the nature of wave functions in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe the wave function as representing continuous components of a quantum state in an infinite-dimensional Hilbert space, while others clarify that the spin degree of freedom is represented in a two-dimensional Hilbert space.
  • There is a proposal that to study both spatial dynamics and spin, one must use the tensor product of the position/momentum Hilbert space and the spin Hilbert space.
  • Some participants argue that the wave function components in the position/momentum space do not fully represent the complete state of a particle with spin, especially when entangled.
  • There is a discussion about the notation used for the wave function, with some participants pointing out inconsistencies in how the notation is applied to represent the complete state versus just the position/momentum part.
  • Participants note that there are an infinite number of possible basis sets for the spin-1/2 Hilbert space, similar to the position and momentum bases in the infinite-dimensional Hilbert space.
  • One participant suggests that the Pauli matrices could serve as a basis for the spinor representation in the spin-1/2 Hilbert space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the existence of different Hilbert spaces for spin and position/momentum, but there is disagreement regarding the implications of these spaces for representing quantum states, particularly in cases of entanglement. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific nature of bases in the spin-1/2 Hilbert space.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and implications of separability in quantum states, as well as the nature of basis types in different Hilbert spaces. There are unresolved questions about the completeness of wave functions in the presence of spin and entanglement.

  • #61
cianfa72 said:
It should mean that $$(I \otimes \sigma_z)(\vec{x} \otimes I) \ket{\psi} = (\vec{x} \otimes I) (I \otimes \sigma_z) \ket{\psi}, \forall \ket{\psi}$$
Yes.

cianfa72 said:
We can check that it is true using the definition of tensor product operators acting on a generic tensor product of type ##\ket{\psi} = \ket{\alpha} \otimes \ket {\beta}##.
Yes.

cianfa72 said:
Since both ##I \otimes \sigma_z## and ##\vec{x} \otimes I## are hermitian and commute each other, they have at least a common eigenbasis -- see also Commuting Operators Have the Same Eigenvectors.
Yes.

cianfa72 said:
However any eigenbasis of the first operator is an eigenbasis for the second (and the other way around) if and only if the commutating hermitian operators have both nondegerate eigenvalues -- see Common eigenfunctions of commuting operators.
Yes.
 
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  • #62
Ok, so coming back to the case of entangled position/momentum plus spin state, such a state can be written as linear combination of tensor products basis ##\{v_i \otimes w_j\}## that will be an eigenbasis of the hermitian/self-adjoint tensor product operator ##\vec{x} \otimes \sigma_z##. Note that ##\{v_i\}## and ##\{w_j\}## are eigenbasis of operator ##\vec{x}## and ##\sigma_z## respectively.
 

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