Early Earth: A Rapid Spin Through History

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the early rotation period of the Earth, particularly in relation to the formation of the Moon. Participants explore various estimates of the Earth's day length during this period, referencing scientific literature and calculations.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a belief among scientists that the early Earth spun rapidly due to giant impacts, with estimates suggesting a rotation period of about 2 hours, although this is questioned.
  • One participant calculates that a 2-hour day would imply an angular momentum greater than the current system, suggesting this estimate must refer to a time before the Moon's formation.
  • Another participant mentions having read that the Earth's day was approximately 12 hours at the time of the Moon's origin, contrasting with the 2-hour estimate.
  • Concerns are raised about the reliability of sources, particularly regarding the ambiguity in a Scientific American article discussing these estimates.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the validity of the 2-hour day estimate both before and after the Moon's formation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the 2-hour day estimate, with multiple competing views remaining regarding the Earth's rotation period during its early history.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the angular momentum calculations and the definitions of the Earth's rotation period at different times in its history.

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Sorry. I lost the text of the post while trying to edit it. I will abandon this for a while.
 
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This text? It is still in the edit history. Without quote tags so the source code is accessible:
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I have just been reading
"A New Spin on the Origin of the Earth and Moon"
Astrobiology Oct 21, 2012
http://www.astrobio.net/topic/explo...new-spin-on-the-origin-of-the-earth-and-moon/ ,​
and found the following:
Many scientists believe that Earth itself emerged from a series of giant impacts. These impacts made the early Earth spin near its stability limit of about 2 hours per revolution.​

Can anyone confirm that a two hour Earth day at the approximate time of the Moon's origin is still recognized as a reasonable estimate by a substantial fraction of the scientific community?

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I just complete a calculation that shows the angular momentum for the Earth with a two hour day is greater than the total current angular momentum of the system. This mean that the two hour day must refer to the Earth before the Moon's origin. I read somewhere (I can't recover where now) that the Earth's day was about one-half of the current day when the Moon formed. Can anyone cite a recent reference that gives an estimate for the Earth length of day at the time of the Moon's origin?

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I found it.
From http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/moon-life-tides/
It all started some 4.5 billion years ago when, as theory has it, our nascent Earth was blindsided by a Mars-size planetary embryo, believed to have spun Earth into its initial fast rotation of roughly 12 hours per day.​
 
12 hours a day for the early spin is what I've read before, 2 hours is not and seems unlikely. That statement is anecdote & opinion though so take it with lots of grains of salt.
 
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Hi mfb:

Thanks much.

I did not know how to recover the text from edit history. Can you explain the procedure?

Regards,
Buzz
 
If you start a post and leave the thread before posting, you can recover it by returning to that thread and clicking on the greyed out text at the bottom of the page.
 
Buzz Bloom said:
Hi mfb:

Thanks much.

I did not know how to recover the text from edit history. Can you explain the procedure?

Regards,
Buzz
Do you have a "history" entry at the bottom of the post (next to "report")? If not, it is probably available to mentors only.
 
mfb said:
Do you have a "history" entry at the bottom of the post (next to "report")? If not, it is probably available to mentors only.
Hi mfb:

No. I don't see "history" at the bottom of my post, but thanks for the suggestion.

BTW: I think what happened is that while I was editing I was using backspace to remove some text, and
I'm guessing that I may have accidentally hit a special key, e.g. Ctrl, and that combination erased all my text in the edit area. I think it would be a useful feature to be able disable the functions that Ctrl (and other special keys) launch.

Regards,
Buzz
 
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phinds said:
12 hours a day for the early spin is what I've read before, 2 hours is not and seems unlikely. That statement is anecdote & opinion though so take it with lots of grains of salt.
Hi phinds:

The text in the Sci Am article was ambiguous, but since it is impossible for the 2 hr day to be after the moon formed, do you think it is also unlikely to be the Earth's day before the Moon formed? If so, do you interpret this article as evidence that Sci Am is not a reliable source of scientific information?

Regards,
Buzz
 
Buzz Bloom said:
Hi phinds:

The text in the Sci Am article was ambiguous, but since it is impossible for the 2 hr day to be after the moon formed, do you think it is also unlikely to be the Earth's day before the Moon formed? If so, do you interpret this article as evidence that Sci Am is not a reliable source of scientific information?

Regards,
Buzz
Those are both inferences that I'm not willing to go to. They could be right, but I don't know that.
 
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Buzz Bloom said:
BTW: I think what happened is that while I was editing I was using backspace to remove some text, and
I'm guessing that I may have accidentally hit a special key, e.g. Ctrl, and that combination erased all my text in the edit area. I think it would be a useful feature to be able disable the functions that Ctrl (and other special keys) launch.
That is a browser function, the forum does not mess around with native browser functions. Ctrl+Z reverts whatever you did last in most browsers.

Back to topic:
The 2 hour day sounds weird both before and after impact.
 
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There are also numerous browser addons that make it effortless ( 2 clicks) to recover your "lost" work. For example on Firefox, or most Mozilla -based browsers I am using Lazarus.
 

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