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The discussion revolves around the discovery of an Earth-sized lava planet that orbits its star closer than Mercury does to the Sun. Participants explore the implications of this discovery, including its formation, density, and the characteristics of the star it orbits. The conversation touches on theoretical aspects of planetary formation and the nature of non-main sequence stars.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express fascination with the discovery of a lava world and its proximity to its star, noting its short orbital period of approximately 8 ½ hours.
  • There is uncertainty about the formation and orbital development of such planets, with some suggesting that this reflects a broader lack of knowledge regarding planet formation.
  • Participants mention that the planet orbits a non-main sequence star, which raises questions about the nature of the star and its planets.
  • One participant provides a density calculation for a red giant's atmosphere, speculating on the implications for planets in such an environment.
  • Another participant suggests that with less speculation, they can calculate future scenarios for Mercury and Venus based on this discovery.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the interesting nature of the discovery, but there are multiple competing views regarding the implications of the planet's characteristics and the nature of its star. The discussion remains unresolved on several technical aspects.

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Limitations include assumptions about the density of the star's atmosphere and the speculative nature of the calculations regarding future planetary scenarios.

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I've recently read that an Earth sized planet that is a lava world orbit its star closer than Mercury orbits the Sun that was recently discovered.

http://local.msn.com/new-planet-discovered-with-a-lava-ocean-and-an-8-hour-year

There is a place where the surface is lava and a year is only 8 ½ hours long. It sounds like fiction, but it's actually a planet 700 light-years away from Earth, Slate magazine reports. It's the latest exoplanet that astronomers have discovered using the now-defunct Kepler space telescope, and NASA researchers are calling it "amazing."
 
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Jupiter60 said:
I've recently read that an Earth sized planet that is a lava world orbit its star closer than Mercury orbits the Sun that was recently discovered.

Do you have a link for the news story?
 
Okay. Did you have some kind of question about it?
 
No. Not really. I just find it to be an interesting find. Apparently, if I'm not mistaken from reading that article, it is closer to its star than it was thought that a planet can be. I may have misread though and that's not actually the case.
 
Hotter, closer, shorter year (and probably denser as well)
It is unclear how those planets formed and how their orbits developed, but that's just our lack of knowledge about planet formation in general. Up to 20 years ago, there was just one known example of a planetary system.
 
They're orbiting a non-main sequence star.
 
Jupiter60 said:
They're orbiting a non-main sequence star.
I think that just makes the planets around Kepler-70 even more surprising. For a while, the planets orbited in the star!
 
mfb said:
I think that just makes the planets around Kepler-70 even more surprising. For a while, the planets orbited in the star!

Any idea what the density of a red giant's atmosphere is at that distance?
 
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Hmm... with values from Wikipedia:
The current average density of the sun is 1400kg/m^3, but most of the volume has a density of less than 20g/m^3, with less than .2g/m^3 in the outer 30% of its diameter). In the late stages of hydrogen burning, it will increase its radius by a factor of 200. In addition, it loses some mass. If the relative densities stay the same (they probably won't), this would reduce the density by a factor of ~10 million, leaving 200ng/m^3 to 2 µg/m^3. That is a good vacuum.

With the latter value and an orbital velocity of 100km/s (arbitrary value), not including gravitational interactions with the gas, a planet of the size of Earth would collect mass at a rate of 2.5*10^8 to 2.5*10^10kg/s. This gives a stopping timescale of 7.5 to 750 million years. Not so wrong...
 
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Nice find Jupiter60, now with less speculation we can calculate what will happen to planets Mercury and Venus a billion years from now.
 

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